Feminism

It is used generally to break cultural bad habits which otherwise cannot be pinned down in equality legislation. I'm not sure of what affirmative action your referring too in Africa. Not all affirmative action policy is good policy, but that does not make all affirmative action policy bad policy.

Affirmative action is fighting of sexism with sexism. racism with racism. In other words: mutually assured destruction.

I'm not the one seemingly writing a dissertation (or at least trying not too), I'm just pointing out to you that your coming in way too biased on the topic to sound rational to anyone with any real knowledge on it. In my opinion!!!

My "bias" is caused by statistics and general knowledge of sociology. Some personal experience as well. When I was a kid one of my neighbour's business went bust, his wife left with the kids, dude killed himself. If the documents I have been reading (some of which I referenced in this thread) are inaccurate, as I said in my first post in this thread, "I AM ALL EARS"

If your making an actual case about something in particular, then make it with specifics, and then I guess if anyone is interested in it they can look at refuting it.

I am making an actual case about something particular:

If you wish to explain and give me examples of how feminism has helped men get the rights that women have, I'm all ears.


And for the record, the very reason I despise feminism is because I believe in equal rights, duties and privileges, and not in discrimination or segregation. feminists lobby for legislation that gives women and women only additional rights or privileges.

ren wrote: the majority of people working in the education sector are women, and an increasing amount of men are killing themselves. These are the facts.

Women have been in the majority in teaching......forever!!!!! Back in the day that was the only job a professional woman could get. are they majority feminists? Prove it!!!!! oh and btw Im a teacher so I know you can't prove that.
Fact: as woman have been increasing accepted into corporate america the percentage of women teaching has gone down!!!!!
So if you want to correlate an increase in male suicides to the teaching profession you must consider the problem being male teachers not female feminists (feminists have moved from the classroom to the boardroom).
P.S. As i read my post im so embarrassed that I got sucked into this :blush:

My other statement regarding the impact of having a minority over-represented in schools is a genuine issue. this is sociology 101, for those of you who studied it. that's also why (in my country at least), teachers are strictly prohibited from discussing religion and politics. this probably is the case in your countries too.

To clarify my meaning here, the most effective way of influencing the growth of a society is to select what children are taught or not taught, how, and by whom. Children will emulate, consciously or unconsciously, their primary educator's characteristics. the younger they are the most influenced they will be.

Women have been in the majority in teaching......forever!!!!! Back in the day that was the only job a professional woman could get.

http://0-nces.ed.gov.opac.acc.msmc.edu/pubs93/93442.pdf

The gap increases between 1869 and 1909 the ratio goes from 1.5 to 3.7. 2.5 in 1990 And that's primary + secondary education. In primary education, the ratio is 6.7 in primary education according to the UN: http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/indwm/Dec.%202012/4e.xls

Back in the day that was the only job a professional woman could get.

What choices did men have? Besides farming and mining? Don't make the assumption that men (and back then, boys too) were all scientists and politicians or bankers. For the vast majority, it was painful manual labour at the factory, in the mines or on the farm. To this day, this is still partially true: women work mostly where it's safe and convenient, men still do the dangerous jobs and are the victims of nearly all industrial accidents.

Don't forget there is so many men in prison because the biased legal system protecting women :woohoo:

</sarcasm> :kiss:

Actually, there is. I mentioned it. And not long ago, in another thread, I talked about a similar issue: harsher sentences for equal crimes depending on race. With blacks worst hit, then hispanics, then whites.

Exchanging pictures seems like a good idea Adder. Here's a famous one:

Hey, it was just a very large emoticon.

ren wrote: Actually, there is. I mentioned it. And not long ago, in another thread, I talked about a similar issue: harsher sentences for equal crimes depending on race. With blacks worst hit, then hispanics, then whites.

Probably everything you've said is true to some extent ren, but by focusing only on the issues that effect men are you not doing the very same thing you accuse of feminists?

Adder wrote:

ren wrote: Actually, there is. I mentioned it. And not long ago, in another thread, I talked about a similar issue: harsher sentences for equal crimes depending on race. With blacks worst hit, then hispanics, then whites.

Probably everything you've said is true to some extent ren, but by focusing only on the issues that effect men are you not doing the very same thing you accuse of feminists?

I'm not part of a men's rights group.

I'm using this data to show that men are just as much victims of sexism as women. There are people like Abhaya Budhil who do not understand that it is possible to be discriminated against on the grounds of being male. Ever read "the SCUM manifesto"? Even Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf isn't as full of hatred as that book.

the point is, you cannot fight sexism with sexism. You cannot fight racism with racism. feminism is a sexist answer to a sexist problem. As such, it perpetrates sexism instead if combating it. It cannot be a solution.

Which is why my point remains the same as what I originally said: that feminism shouldn't exist. (and neither should MRGs or "manism" as it too, is by definition sexist). If you want people to be equals, you have to treat their problems equally, hence why I said (quite a few posts ago):

"Ideally, polar opposite anti-feminism and anti-manism would naturally meet to form humanism. feminism vs manism can only create conflict, as each side is rooted in greed."

(I wonder if it'd have worked better had I appended --Dalai Lama:public speech, 2008 ?)


feminists serve themselves (or their gender)
manists serve themselves (or their gender)
anti-feminists are opposed to women who serve themselves, anti-manists are opposed to men who serve themselves. If everyone is opposed to everyone else being greedy by serving themselves, everyone becomes humanist and serves the interest of everyone else.

Although personally, when it comes to opposing discrimination on the grounds of gender, sexuality, race, or other circumstances of birth, I prefer Jediism over humanism.

An idea if crafted, can give creation or destroy.
When a cool guy from high school and cheerleader
chick marry young. Without life planning. The story open
ends itself to the women thinking bad of men or men thinking
bad of women. When the marriage turns to abuse.

Feminist group pro: women feel empowered, women
have a group in relation to men abuse.

Feminist group con: can scapegoat men, men form racial
hate group.

All learn why ideas are made. If you are part of good men
you need not worry.