Feminism

Brenna wrote: In a practical sense now days, women don’t need men. Because of this, the currency that both sides bring to a partnership has shifted. Women are so busy trying to prove to men that they are perfectly capable of doing everything themselves, that they forget to bring the feminine aspect to the table. Women may be doing a lot in relationships, but most are not doing what’s actually needed. Which means that they are expecting men to change what they bring, but can’t express that. In her words, “Women have changed the game, didn’t bother telling anyone, and now know body knows what the rules are.”.

Wise women.

Wescli Wardest wrote: @ Ren…

Where I’m not going to say you’ve gone and lost it, nor am I going to say that I disagree with your statements and opinions; I will say that you have a rather… “cheeky” way of saying things.

Sometimes I wonder if you ARE trying to elicit an emotional response from others. :huh:


hahahha :laugh: :silly: :woohoo:

? "brainwash" is what you're complaining about? brainwash/indoctrination/etc... Same thing.

I was referring to how you worded this.

I mentioned earlier than women have taken over the education sector, and it is not without impact... (I mean, what are the odds that a service-sector female government employee is going not to be a feminist, right? As a kid I could see my teachers' political inclinations...)

I think the only thing feminism did for men is that they're less likely to get killed by their wives (though I could be wrong). But we've also reached a point where suicide is the main cause of death in young men. I wonder if being treated like shit all the time has anything to do with it?

I’m not saying that your opinion is wrong, or that you couldn’t produce something to prove your points. I’m sure you can. I’m not saying that I disagree with the content… I’m not saying I disagree or agree. Just that sometimes your replies sound very antagonistic.

If one is trying to get people to post a more impassioned reply that is the way to do it!

Hahahhaha :woohoo:

And I'm not complaining... just commenting.

well these are cold hard facts. if people refuse to see them it's their choice (provided anyone ever has a choice). There is an observable decline in murders (which is claimed to be as a result of feminism) and an observable incline in suicide rates, with it being the main cause of death in young men (which is also claimed to be as a result of feminism).
These things can be difficult to correlate, but it's fair to assume, i think, that if you can divorce your husband and get half his money, you don't need to kill him anymore. Similarly it is fair to assume that if you're being treated as disposable, or useless, or not a "real man", etc, you're more likely to kill yourself.


Regarding teachers, considering the huge impact they have on children, it seems strange that a minority of the political/ideological spectrum is vastly over-represented in the education sector. This issue didn't exist before. Considering boys are doing worse than ever in school, this should perhaps be looked into?

I don't know about you but these are things that deeply worry me. You know, with Jedi believing "In a society governed by laws grounded in reason and compassion, not in fear or prejudice.
In a society that does not discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation or circumstances of birth such as gender, ethnicity and national origin." and all that...

a society governed by laws grounded in reason and compassion, not in fear or prejudice.

That would be nice! I feel that far too often people base their decisions off fear.

Ren, perhaps it would be beneficial to give your definition of "cold, hard, fact".

http://thesaurus.com/browse/fait+accompli

no point in making them prettier than they really are.

Ren, thankyou for that wonderful link but I think it would be even more beneficial to have "your" definition of a "cold hard fact".

ren wrote: Regarding teachers, considering the huge impact they have on children, it seems strange that a minority of the political/ideological spectrum is vastly over-represented in the education sector. This issue didn't exist before. Considering boys are doing worse than ever in school, this should perhaps be looked into?

Do you have evidence to support the idea that women teachers are the reason behind why boys are (apparently) doing so much worse now?

My teachers were pretty much 50/50 and I would probably argue that I actually had more male teachers than female yet I certainly didn't achieve what was expected of me at school...

I actually happen to know from a report a few years ago that boys are still the top performers in the country. Boys are found more at the extreme end, with there being more top and bottom performers, while girls tend to be more in the middle and less at either extreme... (in terms of academic achievement)

Akkarin wrote:

ren wrote: Regarding teachers, considering the huge impact they have on children, it seems strange that a minority of the political/ideological spectrum is vastly over-represented in the education sector. This issue didn't exist before. Considering boys are doing worse than ever in school, this should perhaps be looked into?

Do you have evidence to support the idea that women teachers are the reason behind why boys are (apparently) doing so much worse now?

My teachers were pretty much 50/50 and I would probably argue that I actually had more male teachers than female yet I certainly didn't achieve what was expected of me at school...

I actually happen to know from a report a few years ago that boys are still the top performers in the country. Boys are found more at the extreme end, with there being more top and bottom performers, while girls tend to be more in the middle and less at either extreme... (in terms of academic achievement)

University and A-level figures say otherwise. girls are more likely to get As and more likely to get into higher education. this stuff makes the news every year. Studies have also shown girls are likely to get preferential treatment. from school teachers and their own parents, with mothers being significantly more violent toward boys than girls. In the video I posted earlier in this thread they compare the general public attitude. This attitude is learned. It's been everywhere ever since we were born.
We hear all the time about violence against women and whatnot, police statistics show that domestic violence most likely begins with a woman hitting a man. Men also get treated worse by the courts.

regarding schools, I made an experiment of my own in college. And what sickens me most isn't that girls got better marks at a test for which we all cheated, it's that I didn't find the results outrageous and didn't complain to anyone about it.

Sure. Maybe this wasn't caused by feminism. But has feminism at least altered its agendas in any way to prevent making these issues worse than they are?

Donkey wrote: Ren, thankyou for that wonderful link but I think it would be even more beneficial to have "your" definition of a "cold hard fact".

"Fait accompli" is my definition of cold hard fact.