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14 Jun 2013 02:04 #109398 by ren
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Really? Most feminists I know defend the right of a women to consensually sell her body if she so desires.


I know. There's really two breeds of feminists on that issue. The whole "prostitution is the oppression of men" thing comes from the feminist "prostitution is the oppression of women". I know that many feminists support prostitution, but it seems to me they're the minority. Maybe it's because they're quieter ?

I stand by the statement that sexism against men cannot exist. Individual biases against men are not the same as cultural beliefs that men are less than women. It is not the same thing as deeply ingrained systematic oppression.

men are systematically oppressed by the judicial system. therefore sexism against men exists, even according to your very strange definition.

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14 Jun 2013 02:42 - 14 Jun 2013 02:43 #109400 by Brenna
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Abhaya Budhil wrote: I stand by the statement that sexism against men cannot exist. Individual biases against men are not the same as cultural beliefs that men are less than women.


What do you think makes up cultural beliefs? The beliefs of the people in the culture. What makes the laws of a culture? The cultural beliefs.

It was the individual beliefs of many men about women that allowed sexist laws to be passed. Just like it was the beliefs of a group of rascist white men and women that allowed rascist laws against black people to be passed.



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14 Jun 2013 03:07 #109401 by ren
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Donkey wrote: Ren, It's just time to own that your "hard cold facts" or fait accompli are more like "soft warm opinions"


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I'm pretty sure they're cold hard facts.Either way, my only opinion is that feminism should go, reason being is that it's sexist (by definition).

Prove to me that feminists have worked just as hard to give men the same rights as women as much as they have to give women the same rights as men and I'll change my stance.

So far all you've said is that I'm wrong. Prove it. It shouldn't be too hard if it's true.

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14 Jun 2013 03:20 #109405 by
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ren, Im not trying to change your mind about feminism I'm trying to help you understand that your arguments are opinion not facts. Admit that and we are all good.....or mostly good....a lil good?

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14 Jun 2013 03:25 #109407 by Adder
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ren wrote: I'm pretty sure they're cold hard facts.Either way, my only opinion is that feminism should go, reason being is that it's sexist (by definition).

Prove to me that feminists have worked just as hard to give men the same rights as women as much as they have to give women the same rights as men and I'll change my stance.

So far all you've said is that I'm wrong. Prove it. It shouldn't be too hard if it's true.


Well in my opinion, its a straw 'person' argument you've created as the crux of your position...as I stated before;

Adder wrote: Feminism is equivalent to a lobby group to address the inequality of rights for women. The exclusion of men from Feminism is not anti-male, its just not who they represent.

At the professional level they do not advocate any anti-male position from my experience. There is a lot of garbage out there, and factions with different opinions, but in industry and government the reality is about equal rights for both genders with feminists just being professionals who focus on the situation for women.

Adder wrote: Affirmative action is by itself a short term action to address the inequality for a long term equal rights outcome.


I'd agree it's sexist in it's action, but it's action is against a sexist environment, so therefore it is a balancing force. That is how balance works, you apply an opposing force to the imbalance to create balance.

It seems like you create a strawman about what feminism is, and then ignore the purpose of the feminism to demonize its existence, to justify cherry-picking of statistics which you use as representative of reality when in actuality is a biased perspective.... and repeat it ad nausem for effect. Just sayin.

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14 Jun 2013 03:27 #109408 by
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Why does this have to be a gender issue? Can't people just be people?

And, really, how many feminist can actually be out there? I mean, I have yet to meet one...or is your idea of a feminist code for all women? I get confused about what's actually being discussed. Gender or a political group?

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14 Jun 2013 03:28 #109409 by ren
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ren, Im not trying to change your mind about feminism I'm trying to help you understand that your arguments are opinion not facts. Admit that and we are all good.....or mostly good....a lil good?


Sorry, but what have you done to help me understand that my arguments are opinions and not facts?

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14 Jun 2013 03:29 #109411 by
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Agreed! Arguments against feminism are coming across as anti women!

Wendaline wrote: Why does this have to be a gender issue? Can't people just be people?

And, really, how many feminist can actually be out there? I mean, I have yet to meet one...or is your idea of a feminist code for all women? I get confused about what's actually being discussed. Gender or a political group?

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14 Jun 2013 03:31 #109412 by
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feminist women are overtaking the teaching profession and causing men to commit suicide? fact?

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ren, Im not trying to change your mind about feminism I'm trying to help you understand that your arguments are opinion not facts. Admit that and we are all good.....or mostly good....a lil good?


Sorry, but what have you done to help me understand that my arguments are opinions and not facts?

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14 Jun 2013 03:32 #109413 by
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sorry mis phrase "hard cold fact"!

Donkey wrote: feminist women are overtaking the teaching profession and causing men to commit suicide? fact?

ren wrote:

ren, Im not trying to change your mind about feminism I'm trying to help you understand that your arguments are opinion not facts. Admit that and we are all good.....or mostly good....a lil good?


Sorry, but what have you done to help me understand that my arguments are opinions and not facts?

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