Feminism

oh my position isn't anti-women, only anti-feminism.

I'd agree it's sexist in it's action, but it's action is against a sexist environment, so therefore it is a balancing force. That is how balance works, you apply an opposing force to the imbalance to create balance.

And when has affirmative action ever worked? My missus comes from a country where they did it. It's in ruins now. Brenna's from south Africa, I'm sure she'll confirm affirmative action didn't transform that country for the better either.

ignore the purpose of the feminism to demonize its existence, to justify cherry-picking of statistics which you use as representative of reality when in actuality is a biased perspective

Well why don't you cherry-pick statistics which are not biased, since I can't seem to find them? Show me statistics that show men are not worse off in courts of law... There's not point for you in arguing anything if all you have to say is "you're wrong" or "I disagree".

feminist women are overtaking the teaching profession and causing men to commit suicide? fact?

Where did I state this was fact?

Why does this have to be a gender issue? Can't people just be people?

This is why I'm opposed to feminism. Giving people rights should not be gender-based. With feminism, it is.

you posted this in your prostitution topic!!!!!!!
i know its late in the uk but really?

feminist women are overtaking the teaching profession and causing men to commit suicide? fact?

Where did I state this was fact?

and btw Ren you didnt state this as a fact but as a "hard cold fact'!!!!

Donkey wrote: you posted this in your prostitution topic!!!!!!!
i know its late in the uk but really?

feminist women are overtaking the teaching profession and causing men to commit suicide? fact?

Where did I state this was fact?

I believe he is referring to when I wrote…

Wescli Wardest wrote: I was referring to how you worded this.

I mentioned earlier than women have taken over the education sector, and it is not without impact... (I mean, what are the odds that a service-sector female government employee is going not to be a feminist, right? As a kid I could see my teachers' political inclinations...)

I think the only thing feminism did for men is that they're less likely to get killed by their wives (though I could be wrong). But we've also reached a point where suicide is the main cause of death in young men. I wonder if being treated like shit all the time has anything to do with it?

And you replied with….

ren wrote: well these are cold hard facts. if people refuse to see them it's their choice (provided anyone ever has a choice).

Which to me, the first couple of statements sound like opinions. There may be some document supporting those claims, but the way they are worded in the context of this particular conversation, sounds as though opinions are trying to be passed off as facts.

I believe that is what Donkey is referring to.

oui oui monsieur

ren wrote: And when has affirmative action ever worked? My missus comes from a country where they did it. It's in ruins now. Brenna's from south Africa, I'm sure she'll confirm affirmative action didn't transform that country for the better either.

It is used generally to break cultural bad habits which otherwise cannot be pinned down in equality legislation. I'm not sure of what affirmative action your referring too in Africa. Not all affirmative action policy is good policy, but that does not make all affirmative action policy bad policy.

ren wrote:

ignore the purpose of the feminism to demonize its existence, to justify cherry-picking of statistics which you use as representative of reality when in actuality is a biased perspective

Well why don't you cherry-pick statistics which are not biased, since I can't seem to find them? Show me statistics that show men are not worse off in courts of law... There's not point for you in arguing anything if all you have to say is "you're wrong" or "I disagree".

I'm not the one seemingly writing a dissertation (or at least trying not too), I'm just pointing out to you that your coming in way too biased on the topic to sound rational to anyone with any real knowledge on it. In my opinion!!!

If your making an actual case about something in particular, then make it with specifics, and then I guess if anyone is interested in it they can look at refuting it. Like I think I did with your divorce stats in chat yesterday. Sometimes statistics are not required if the premise behind the assumptions about their meanings is shown to be less likely then the exact opposite assumption. It's not my interest though to trawl through statistics looking for data set's designed to express my opinion, at least not on this topic.

BTW the break off topic called "Feminism" has more views in a shorter period of time then the original "Prostitution" topic even though both topics are discussing the same issue. Maybe discussing feminism as a subject has more validity then trying to run around the subject in an inflammatory way?

Wescli Wardest wrote: I believe he is referring to when I wrote…

Wescli Wardest wrote: I was referring to how you worded this.

I mentioned earlier than women have taken over the education sector, and it is not without impact... (I mean, what are the odds that a service-sector female government employee is going not to be a feminist, right? As a kid I could see my teachers' political inclinations...)

I think the only thing feminism did for men is that they're less likely to get killed by their wives (though I could be wrong). But we've also reached a point where suicide is the main cause of death in young men. I wonder if being treated like shit all the time has anything to do with it?

And you replied with….

ren wrote: well these are cold hard facts. if people refuse to see them it's their choice (provided anyone ever has a choice).

Which to me, the first couple of statements sound like opinions. There may be some document supporting those claims, but the way they are worded in the context of this particular conversation, sounds as though opinions are trying to be passed off as facts.

I believe that is what Donkey is referring to.

the majority of people working in the education sector are women, and an increasing amount of men are killing themselves. These are the facts. some of the other ideas explored are surrounded with "i could be wrong"(regarding the impact of feminism on spousal murder) and "I wonder if"(relating to the causes of the insane suicide rates in young men).

My other statement regarding the impact of having a minority over-represented in schools is a genuine issue. this is sociology 101, for those of you who studied it. that's also why (in my country at least), teachers are strictly prohibited from discussing religion and politics. this probably is the case in your countries too.

Donkey wrote: BTW the break off topic called "Feminism" has more views in a shorter period of time then the original "Prostitution" topic even though both topics are discussing the same issue. Maybe discussing feminism as a subject has more validity then trying to run around the subject in an inflammatory way?

The first topic is about prostitution, not about feminism.

I am not saying anyone is right or wrong, I am merely pointing out where I think the miscommunication may have occurred and why I think so.

I see no point in debating over who said what and would rather the conversation stay to the issue. So, when there are wrinkles… I try to iron them out.