Possible world wide revolution?

Kobos wrote: I Allow people to believe what they want debate it sure but stop being a dick please and thank you.

You see how much more productive civil conversation can be rather than calling people a dick? You need not send me love or respect anymore. Thanks back.

Fair enough. I will consider that in my further communications. I am just talking how I would talk in person though a long that line. I wasn't saying directly you are a dick more saying you were acting like one.

However again, fair enough, I will consider my words in further posts.

Much Love, Respect and Peace,
Kobos

It’s been suggested that I don’t allow others to believe what they want. This is a false claim. I never expect to sway the mind of the conspirator. But by challenging their rhetoric I do hope to provide at the least a rational counter to their claims and at the most reveal productive information for those that may be otherwise duped by the sort of disinformation and half facts that most conspiracy theories provide. This is so that each individual can decide for themselves what they will believe.

The reason people believe in conspiracy theories in the first place stems from logical fallacy. A cognitive bias in the need to find order in a confusing world. Seeking explanations for events outside our control or understanding is a natural human desire. People are constantly asking why things happen the way they do. “Why can’t you understand what I’m trying to tell you”? In doing this people often fill in blanks with answers that are not necessarily true, but rather answers that comfort them or that fit into their worldview. This is due to attribution error bias. “You can’t understand what I’m saying because you’re just not listening”. Instead of taking responsibility for things and evaluating honestly, they invent excuses for why things are the way they perceive them. The conspiracist has and emotional investment in the belief because it becomes a comfort to them.

The theories are abundant. Ideas of a shadow govt working with occult knowledge or working with aliens trying to take over the world, the 9/11 attack being orchestrated by the government, the moon landing being filmed in Hollywood, Oswald acting with others from the CIA in the Kennedy assassination or crashed aliens being secretly kept at Area 51. The list goes on and on. Psychologists have found that peoples need for believing in conspiracy theories can be grouped into three categories. First they have a desire for understanding and certainty in an uncertain world. Second, they have a desire for control and security. And third, they desire to maintain a positive self-image.

Conspiracy theories are false beliefs, by definition. But people who believe in them have a vested interest in maintaining them. First, they’ve put some effort into understanding the conspiracy-theory explanation for the event, whether by reading books, going to web sites, or watching TV programs that support their beliefs. Uncertainty is an unpleasant state, and conspiracy theories provide a sense of understanding and certainty that is comforting in the face of things often too complex for them to understand.

People need to feel they’re in control of their lives and conspiracy theories can give their believers a sense of control and security. Individuals engage in motivated reasoning as a way to avoid or lessen cognitive dissonance, the mental discomfort experienced when confronted by contradictory information, especially on matters that directly relate to their comfort, happiness, and mental health. Rather than re-examining a contradiction, it’s much easier to dismiss it. Conspiracy theories also give them a sense that they are a holder of privileged knowledge. Most people who believe in such theories do so because they don’t understand the science or complex processes of an intricate system. And instead of admitting this, it becomes easier for them to believe they know more about the subject than others do.

People who feel socially marginalized are also more likely to believe in conspiracy theories. All people have a desire to maintain a positive self-image. This self-image comes from the roles played in life; coworkers, personal relationships, family etc. When people can see positive differences they make in others’ lives they see themselves as worthwhile. But if they can’t feel that or feel socially excluded the belief in conspiracy theories gives them that sense of community with others who hold similar beliefs. In these cases one may offer counter evidence in an attempt convince them to give up their conspiracy theories, but it is unlikely to succeed. This is because the arguing of facts will not sway the conspirators need to defend their sense of security and their positive feelings about themselves.

"The enemy is humanity itself."

That quote is very telling. Also, the non attempt to deny the charges against him and his compatriots. Hey immediately begins the marginalization process but labeling his accusers "populists" as if that should put this out of people's minds.

Jefferson's quote still say the same as what was erroneously attributed to him and it is well known that he was an opponent of the banking interests..

The involvement of these elite families in eugenics, social engineering, monopoly creation, and technocracy, among other things, constitutes an agenda of power to control every facet of human life. They have created tyrants and manufactured world wars. All to consolidate their power..

Conspiracies are abundant in history. What would be different now to say that they don't happen in our era?

We need a revolution..

As for The Force, I don't make the claim to be the arbiter of what it is.. I'm only communicating what I have studied or experienced..

"The father is light with no shadow of turning". There are plenty of these scriptures that describe the Ultimate Good as Light or Fullness. Darkness as absence of that Fullness, the empty void. All this, and more, is reflected in nature. Every animal, every cell, every atom, is free to move according to its nature. Sovereign, as The Force is sovereign. This Force, or energy, is both active(male) and passive(female). As represented by the sun and full moon. These are IMAGES of an inner truth. Mainly "if light is in your eye then your whole body is light. If your eye is clouded then your body will be full of darkness."

Sure, that's seen as a Christian perspective, but I have experienced it for myself. This truth had become tangible for me.. The psychological/nature archetypes passed on as personifications pale in comparison to their source, The Force.. which is Light.. no darkness.. they are PERPETUALLY OPPOSED to each other..

Uzima Moto wrote: We need a revolution...

Probably the only time I'll agree with Vladimir Putin on anything;

"We should all be aware of the fact that when revolutionary—not evolutionary—changes come, things can get even worse."

"We've had enough of it. We've seen so many revolutions and wars. We need decades of calm and harmonious development."

I guess what I'm thinking of is kinda both a revolution and an evolution..

9/11 WAS an inside job, doesn't take the whole government. There is precedent that elements WITHIN our governing institutions would attack US citizens as a pretext for war..

The JFK assassination was a coup de'tat..

Geoengineering has been on the books for decades.. chemtrails being one form..

Technocrats and Eugenicists have constantly pushed their agenda on the masses. Not without success either..

It has already been stated that the manipulation of the masses through propaganda is the key to ruling a democracy..

I don't see how anyone could logically think that human nature has changed to the point that nobody is seeking power over others. It happens on people's jobs, churches, schools, etc.. that's a level of denial that just makes no sense to me at all. I wonder if it could be explained psychologically. Because it isn't healthy.. I mean, the whole point of limited government was to discourage the abuse of political power. George Washington even makes mention of it in his farewell address..

It might come from a need to feel more advanced than those "primitives" who came before us.. or maybe the refusal to see oneself as gullible. "It is a quite thing, to fall.. but far more terrible is to admit it." People hate admitting they've been fooled..

This has to be the dumbest, most rediculas thread on this whole site imo. I feel like I have lost iq points just from reading it. Some people will say anything just to have someone to argue with. And this conspiracy therory crap needs to find a new home. This is NOT what the temple is for. Not one person has benefited from a single post on this whole thread. I’d say just my opinion but it’s obviously the opinion shared by almost anyone who takes the temple seriously. Now I know not to open it again.

Zero Storm wrote: This has to be the dumbest, most rediculas thread on this whole site imo. I feel like I have lost iq points just from reading it. Some people will say anything just to have someone to argue with. And this conspiracy therory crap needs to find a new home. This is NOT what the temple is for. Not one person has benefited from a single post on this whole thread. I’d say just my opinion but it’s obviously the opinion shared by almost anyone who takes the temple seriously. Now I know not to open it again.

Yes I suppose it is rather "rediculas ".

I was under the impression that this was the Open Discussions part of the forum. As in you can openly discuss things, something that doesn't belong on other threads.

Maybe it would have been an ok thread if it wasn't derailed by Kyrin, among other people as well. This was for those who believe in this thing. Obviously if you disagree with it, go somewhere else or if you must say something, say something with at least a shred of decency.

So one cannot say anything because they feel it doesn't belong anywhere? Then please enlighten me as to where it does belong? Is there something in the rules that I am not aware of? Somewhere that says "You shall not make conspiracy crap on the threads"? What is the temple for? For only threads YOU approve of? Sorry but this kind of arrogance is pretty appalling.

Am I seriously the only one noticing this kind of problem here? No one knows this or no one seems to really care?

I couldn't care less if people disbelieve. Just do it respectfully. Maybe that's the norm is to go one threads and say "lolzderp this is dumb, I feel dumbers from lookinz atz itz" and for others to say "You know, I'm ok with this kind of trolling and derailing"

I've been one of the few trying to get the thread back on topic but many others kept derailing it and pretty much insulting or going out of their way to troll. I spoke and said what I wanted to say. People can believe and comment or disbelieve and/or speak their peace or, you know, go somewhere else.

Zero Storm wrote: This has to be the dumbest, most rediculas thread on this whole site imo. I feel like I have lost iq points just from reading it. Some people will say anything just to have someone to argue with. And this conspiracy therory crap needs to find a new home. This is NOT what the temple is for. Not one person has benefited from a single post on this whole thread. I’d say just my opinion but it’s obviously the opinion shared by almost anyone who takes the temple seriously. Now I know not to open it again.

This is very real stuff. If you lost iq from reading any of these posts that's your fault..

This is exactly what a follower of The Force would be concerned with.. not constructing a Jedi echo-chamber.. these are serious times.. and it takes a serious approach. Because the wanton destruction and manipulation of society is abhorrent to The Force. To be complacent is tantamount to being complicit in this destruction..

The benefit of shared knowledge is supposed to be had here. I have made many attempts to do so, but the shillary is toxic. People are willing to ignore centuries of historical precedent just to hold on to their bias.. even in trying to "debunk", the underlying point is maintained..

There are DARK forces that clamour for systematic power over the rest of us. They will crush ANY light that rises to challenge their system.. but Light can't be conquered forever......

I guess if y'all decided to just stay locked away here the Light will have its way somehow, eventually..

I admit, I have a strong bias towards evidence. A showing that something is plausible is completely uninteresting to me unless I had asserted that it isn't. But if no attempt is made to show that something is possible, probable, or actually the case, beyond the empty insistence that it must be, then there is nothing here to discuss.

Uzima Moto wrote: I guess what I'm thinking of is kinda both a revolution and an evolution..

A revolution without cause only creates a greater mess. Evolution is not a directed process and has no destination. You have used both these terms in a context that is inappropriate in the face of the overwhelming evidence I have provided here.

Hey I have and idea instead of ignoring that evidence and taking yet another quote even further out of context and stomping your foot and demanding that your unfounded assertions are true, why not try actually addressing the evidence and try and debunk it. That fact you have not is proof enough for me that you have no clue what you are talking about.

I derailed this thread indeed, what I actually did was stop a bunch of fear mongers from spread some of the most inane lies ever concocted. And yes I used the term lie deliberately. When one is faced with actual truth in evidence and still refuses to accept the facts and continues to spout disinformation to play on people's fears it can be categorized as nothing less than a deliberate lie.

Gisteron wrote: I admit, I have a strong bias towards evidence. A showing that something is plausible is completely uninteresting to me unless I had asserted that it isn't. But if no attempt is made to show that something is possible, probable, or actually the case, beyond the empty insistence that it must be, then there is nothing here to discuss.

Evidence can be provided.. if you are open to the plausibility.. because as far as a smoking gun, you won't find many.. except for 9/11, maybe.. Kyrin provided evidences, unwittingly lol..

Her exposé on Jefferson really highlighted the point she was trying to debunk. Mainly, that banking institutions were more dangerous to liberty than a standing army.. but conspiracies fill our historical records. The plot to kill Caesar was a conspiracy. So to dismiss conspiracies as "false by definition"(which depends on which definition you read) without a second thought is intellectually lazy in my book..

History would tell me it's more likely than not and in need of investigation. Not find every excuse and rationalization to dismiss what I fear..

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: A revolution without cause only creates a greater mess. Evolution is not a directed process and has no destination. You have used both these terms in a context that is inappropriate in the face of the overwhelming evidence I have provided here.

Evolution has and always will be the refinement and adaptation of flaws to better fit what is needed in the current environment. It does have an end goal, perfection, which is relative to what is needed. And the current system is fatally flawed and in need of such evolution.

Uzima Moto wrote: The plot to kill Caesar was a conspiracy. So to dismiss conspiracies as "false by definition"(which depends on which definition you read) without a second thought is intellectually lazy in my book..

Agreed. People conspire for good and for ill, pretty much all the time. If that's what you want to reduce your claims to, then there is no more disagreement between us.

Arisaig wrote: Evolution has and always will be the refinement and adaptation of flaws to better fit what is needed in the current environment. It does have an end goal, perfection, which is relative to what is needed. And the current system is fatally flawed and in need of such evolution.

That is absolutely false. Evolution has no end goal especially towards perfection. That is unachievable in the first place because no single definition of perfection of any system could ever be achieved, let alone the state itself.

Uzima Moto wrote:

Gisteron wrote: I admit, I have a strong bias towards evidence. A showing that something is plausible is completely uninteresting to me unless I had asserted that it isn't. But if no attempt is made to show that something is possible, probable, or actually the case, beyond the empty insistence that it must be, then there is nothing here to discuss.

Evidence can be provided.. if you are open to the plausibility.. because as far as a smoking gun, you won't find many.. except for 9/11, maybe.. Kyrin provided evidences, unwittingly lol..

Her exposé on Jefferson really highlighted the point she was trying to debunk. Mainly, that banking institutions were more dangerous to liberty than a standing army.. but conspiracies fill our historical records. The plot to kill Caesar was a conspiracy. So to dismiss conspiracies as "false by definition"(which depends on which definition you read) without a second thought is intellectually lazy in my book..

History would tell me it's more likely than not and in need of investigation. Not find every excuse and rationalization to dismiss what I fear..

Lmao really? Once again putting words in my mouth? I'm not sure how proving Jefferson. ever said what you Claimed he said is proof of a conspiracy theory but good luck trying to claim that. I also never said conspiracies were false... I said conspiracy THEORIES such as the ones your pedaling are false.

Beyond that claiming something has happened before so it must be happening now is a logical fallacy. Correlation does not equal causation. Your assertions lack any foundation.

Conspiracy (and celebrity) still speak to something, even if they are massive wastes of time. It's easy to lay its existence in society as 'fear' and a wanting something to rage against (to distract themselves from own misery) - but another angle is it can serve as a vehicle for interest in an area to grow, by using tasty concepts to tether ones focus onto a topic in a greater depth then which might not otherwise be accessible through the dry and sharp landscape of pure fact. I know the philosophers ship cuts a clean line through the ocean but its destination is a bit preordained, in comparison... the slow party boat can be more fun sometimes In the grand scheme of things the former can move more people over time, but for the individual who is creating their own universe, one might be more effective then the other. I guess if those ships are clashing, then it means its time for some people to jump ship, or are stuck with one leg on each!! #morningmusings

Gisteron wrote:

Uzima Moto wrote: The plot to kill Caesar was a conspiracy. So to dismiss conspiracies as "false by definition"(which depends on which definition you read) without a second thought is intellectually lazy in my book..

Agreed. People conspire for good and for ill, pretty much all the time. If that's what you want to reduce your claims to, then there is no more disagreement between us.

It was kind of my point the whole time lol..

My comment to this post has to deal with people who mean ill having the avenues to do so on a greater scale.. i believe, as many before us have, that systems of coercive authority attract those type the most because they offer the greatest benefit, power..

If there was a need of an evolutionary revolution. It would be for the masses to willfully decentralize power among themselves. Understanding that they have a natural liberty as unique individuals. We're not just gears in the machinery.. When power, wealth, resources, etc are concentrated into the hands of the few. We collectively suffer for it. We're bent to their will by our dependency to their power. By this whole nations are disarmed, indebted, and subjugated..

Uzima Moto wrote:

Gisteron wrote:

Uzima Moto wrote: The plot to kill Caesar was a conspiracy. So to dismiss conspiracies as "false by definition"(which depends on which definition you read) without a second thought is intellectually lazy in my book..

Agreed. People conspire for good and for ill, pretty much all the time. If that's what you want to reduce your claims to, then there is no more disagreement between us.

It was kind of my point the whole time lol..

Oh, okay, so when you claimed that 9/11 was an inside job you only meant to say that people sometimes conspire, and nothing else? And when you claimed that vapor trails behind planes are chemical manipulations of the atmosphere, you only meant to say that people sometimes conspire, and nothing else? I see, I see. And here I thought you actually meant what you said. Silly me! Let's see, what else was I carelessly misreading all this time...