Possible world wide revolution?

There are a number of groups and ideologies that seek global control. There are nationalists and there are technocrats, others occultic.. All seek power over the rest of us.. there can be NO DOUBT about this as there is entirely TOO MUCH evidence to support it.. but it's not as if they are special and their power absolute. WE give them power by participating in their control grid. Legally, physically, spiritually, etc..

It's full spectrum warfare..

And aside from people kind of admitting they want to run a new order, (although they don't give all the details) Some theorize they would destroy most of the population. Which makes sense. Because a few million or a little more is a lot easier to manage than billions of people. And look at all the ways they could do it. Disease, anthrax, aids, radiation, bombs ect. Look at them try to destroy the environment. Again this makes sense because when you ruin large areas of land, where do people go to? They huddle into the big cities, like they did with 1984. So it'd be harder for people to become more self sufficient which is something they do not want.

They don't want people to have critical thinking or independent people. They want slaves just smart enough to do the work but not smart enough to think outside the box and passively accept stupid rules that invade our privacy.

No one really explains why a totalitarian group trying to take over everything is ridiculous. Only that it can't happen because they say so. There's been a lot of empires that tried to take over the world, yet people who have control over your money, your food, your land ect. aren't trying to take over? Wouldn't you think the guys who run all of your money and own all of the important land and control food and water, the stuff you need to live on and put in tons of chemicals that make you stupid, crazy or give you diseases (which also helps Big Pharma) and don't give out cures to diseases they know work, because as we know a cured patient is a customer lost. You can't make too much money off of cured patient can you?

Wouldn't that be what YOU would do if you had billions and thought of a way to control people without using just force? Brainwashing billions with media, damaging your brain for critical thinking with foods that poison you ect. Because then you get a slave for years. Someone who believes they are free when they really aren't.

Yabuturtle wrote: And aside from people kind of admitting they want to run a new order, (although they don't give all the details) Some theorize they would destroy most of the population. Which makes sense. Because a few million or a little more is a lot easier to manage than billions of people. And look at all the ways they could do it. Disease, anthrax, aids, radiation, bombs ect.

Kind of admitting? Lol, what does that mean? Do they get drunk at parties and then get loose lips before realizing they have said too much and then whisper to others… “Oh my, I have said too much already!” Last time I looked up there were no bombs dropping from corporate bomber planes, no worldwide epidemics that are wiping out billions of people, no radiation contaminants killing off the masses. If these people are in such control what are they waiting for?

Yabuturtle wrote: … So it'd be harder for people to become more self sufficient which is something they do not want.

Is that why these people, that run these global businesses and banking systems, are advocating for less regulation? Less big government? Less social programs? They want to do away with social security and medicare and Obamacare and privatize all that stuff. How is that any sort of master plan to make the people more dependent on them?

Yabuturtle wrote: No one really explains why a totalitarian group trying to take over everything is ridiculous. Only that it can't happen because they say so.

On the contrary, I have explained it to you until I am literally bleeding from my fingertips even though it’s not my burden of proof. It is your burden of proof because you are making the claim. By trying to shift that burden you are committing a fallacy. No one has ever said that it cant happen, only that they dont believe your claim that it is happening. You need to prove otherwise. Citing past civilizations that have had it happen is irrelevant.

Uzima Moto wrote: There are a number of groups and ideologies that seek global control. There are nationalists and there are technocrats, others occultic.. All seek power over the rest of us.. there can be NO DOUBT about this as there is entirely TOO MUCH evidence to support it.. but it's not as if they are special and their power absolute. WE give them power by participating in their control grid. Legally, physically, spiritually, etc..

It's full spectrum warfare..

It is true that there are many groups involved. Some willingly work, others are being coerced or threatened to. When you are part of an elite with billions of dollar at your disposal, many are willing to make many connections. People who help them obtain them more money or just to do their dirty work.If people are willing to believe bankers and others with large sums of money who were corrupt started wars with countries back then and play both side so they will win no matter what, why is the idea impossible now when people believe it was possible in the middle ages?
I never got that

In fact it's even easier now with many weapons at their disposal, many ways to brainwash and many ways to weaken people and divide and conquer.

You see mr turtle, this is why you continue to fail to gain any ground when it comes to your position on your theories. You ask me for input and proof and I provide dialogue that you simply ignore. Then you continue on with the same vague rhetoric unencumbered.

Do you want to know why I dont take you seriously? Why no one takes you seriously outside of your own ilk? It's because you use the exact same tactics as any common charlatan to evoke a smoke screen of disinformation designed only to build yourself up and tear others down.

Your theories are no different than the predictions of a psychic mind reader. Both use the exact same tactics.

Keeping information vague, never naming names or specific groups. It might be the bankers or it might be the lizard men.

Using general statements that could apply to anything. They want to control the world, or maybe just a nation or maybe just the banks.

Appealing to peoples sense of fear. Well it's been attempted before so it must be being attempted now.

Cherry picking specific points to support your point but ignoring the bulk of actual evidence. Bush used the term new world order, but not providing the actual context of his statement to make him look like he said something he didnt actually say.

Making bold assertions over and over but when presented with actual tangable evidence, ignoring that evidence and presenting red herrings to deflect the focus. And then making those assertions again when the audience is distracted.

Your ideas are fradulant mr turtle and I have pointed that out over and over. I challenge you to either present detailed and specific evidence that people are capable of examining and possibly refuting or dropping this fear mongering.

Uzima Moto wrote: Why should anyone present any proof here?..

There's plenty if you just go look for yourself like everyone else has.. or were you expecting them to just come on MSNPC and present their crimes to the public on a platter? How does that even make sense?..

Personally, as someone who has looked into stuff like this for years of my own volition. I'm always surprised at how reluctant people are to look at this stuff. I probably shouldn't be though. People have been programmed to put the VERY REAL AND POSSIBLE 911 false-flag in the same category as the unfounded reptilian conspiracy. All some media-head grifter has to do is label it a "conspiracy theory" and everybody just throws it it without a second thought..

Operation Northwoods, a detailed declassification on how the Kennedy administration was presented with a Pentagon plan to use staged attacks to be blamed on Cuba as a pretext for war. DOCUMENTED.. but because "conspiracy theory" it's dead on arrival..

Look, to get started, I'll refer you to a video on YouTube called "How Big Oil Conquered the World". There's also "Why Big Oil Conquered the World" and "Century of Enslavement" by the Corbett Report. Who also likes to keep documents backing the claims on their site. If you want proof you'll find it if you look for yourself..

I've looked into law enough to know the SCOTUS will purposefully misinterpret the Constitution when it serves their agenda or assets their power..

If proof was offered here, then there would be no argument at all and that is much harder to get evidence which is abundant. I mean the best way to know is to look at history and connect the dots and put two and two together. United nations and all of these secret deals and all of those things illegal like cannabis are not done for our benefit. Whatever they are doing is ultimately their benefit. People don't even question the secretive meetings with the Bilderbergs. and why federal government deliberately try to make sure you don't use cures for diseases because "the FDA didn't approve it" which of course they won't because that cuts into their profits.

I am thinking some will just flat out refuse to believe it anyway because the idea of governments who have been betraying you for decades or centuries if people want to go back that far kind of scares them and it's more comforting to believe the government would never poison your air, would never keep cures secretive ect. I mean people don't even question those chem trails that fly around.

I actually think it's funny they will call them "truthers" as if wanting to know the truth is bad xD Truth is treason in an empire of lies after all. Don't question anything, don't research anything, just believe the fabricated stories we shove down your throat, eat the food that gives you cancer and do as your told.

The 'fog of war' is just a category of 'fogs of complexity'. It's all a matter of perspective (scope of penetrating view) and point of view (position relation) - and that everything beyond that which if afforded by those things is unknown. We rationalize the unknown by various means, but problems tend to emerge when we use those rationalizations to justify decisions into the known. Yes, those rationalizations are useful and perhaps required to operate in the unknown, but we gotta respect that the uncertainty of not knowing, more then likely directly relates to the rationalization process.... then the actual unknown reality. There is no need to be afraid of the dark just because we can imagine all sorts of hungry bizarre. But, it also doesn't mean it aint out there :silly:

So, since this is an unusual thread of strange-ness; I thought it was curious that Obama lifted sanctions on Iran at the same time a Yemen Civil War was kicking off. So perhaps look for 'proxy wars' if your thinking there is an evil war mongering upper class at play;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Saudi_Arabia_proxy_conflict

Yabuturtle wrote:

Uzima Moto wrote: If proof was offered here, then there would be no argument at all and that is much harder to get evidence which is abundant. I mean the best way to know is to look at history and connect the dots and put two and two together. United nations and all of these secret deals and all of those things illegal like cannabis are not done for our benefit. Whatever they are doing is ultimately their benefit. People don't even question the secretive meetings with the Bilderbergs. and why federal government deliberately try to make sure you don't use cures for diseases because "the FDA didn't approve it" which of course they won't because that cuts into their profits.

I am thinking some will just flat out refuse to believe it anyway because the idea of governments who have been betraying you for decades or centuries if people want to go back that far kind of scares them and it's more comforting to believe the government would never poison your air, would never keep cures secretive ect. I mean people don't even question those chem trails that fly around.

I actually think it's funny they will call them "truthers" as if wanting to know the truth is bad xD Truth is treason in an empire of lies after all. Don't question anything, don't research anything, just believe the fabricated stories we shove down your throat, eat the food that gives you cancer and do as your told.

If any proof was actually offered it would be refreshing. Let's examine what you say here.

First you say to look at history and connect the dots. First off this is nothing more than vague fear mongering. What history? What dots? How are they connected?

Who is actually in charge of this conspiracy to take over the world? The United nations? The bilderbergs? The federal Govt? The dark occult you mention? Who is it? No names are mentioned either. Seems like almost the entire world is in on it!

How are they controlling us? Well according to you apparently the United nations outlawed cannabis? One of the things that could actually be used to pacify us. The FDA denies us cures for their "profits". But wait, the United nations has nothing to do with cannabis law and the FDA is not a for profit organization. Oh and of course "govts" are using commercial aircraft to spray chemical poisons in the air. Not to mention that no commercial pilot anywhere has ever broken silence and revealed this secret but this is the very same air this secret organization also breathes, sort of self defeating isn't it?

And the poisoned food! My God the poisoned food... that no one ever gets sick or dies from. The humanity! It seems this poisoned food is designed to kill people in the same time span as a normal lifetime! How diabolical!!

Perhaps its a type of twilight language, where ambiguous concepts or vague associations are required to ensure ones own safety (or the security of the information etc), working by serving as labels rather then explanations, partially revealing information to the uninformed observer but representing something more for those 'read in' on the details. As such, not everyone might be the intended audience, and so stability among ambiguity is a skill in the resolute. Appearing like loose nonsense to the untrained eye, only attracting those who've got the time and interest to bother to process and engage, and therefore not vulnerable to 'critique' of the superficial representation or interpretation! Who can you trust if not even yourself, are we all d00med to wasting our own time more then anyone elses!!

Can anyone explain why something that was used as detergent is in cereals? And it was removed when it was shown to be harmful to the environment.

https://www.theingredientguru.com/2015/09/why-is-trisodium-phosphate-added-to-our-food/

You can look at a box for yourself.
Can anyone explain why there are airplanes spraying chemicals? And we can't say it's contrails because contrails don't linger for hours or spread out as shown here.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/169729479687326115/

Can anyone explain why so many countries have cannabis illegal when it is arguably the most useful plant?

Can anyone explain why drinking fluoride in water is a good idea? Or explain why the federal reserve is so secretive in how it handles money, or why the War On terror hasn't really ended?

To get answers, we need to ask questions, but hardly anyone either knows or just dismisses it.

Can anyone explain why something that was used as detergent is in cereals? And it was removed when it was shown to be harmful to the environment.

Because science. Science is incomplete, and without contrary evidence decisions are made. When new evidence emerges, decisions are made again which change prior decisions.

Can anyone explain why there are airplanes spraying chemicals? And we can't say it's contrails because contrails don't linger for hours or spread out as shown here.

Contrails... it just depends on the upper winds as to about their shape and how long they stay.

Can anyone explain why so many countries have cannabis illegal when it is arguably the most useful plant?

Everyone in power saw what happened in the Opium wars, and did not want to risk weakening their own nations in such times of conflict and competition.

Can anyone explain why drinking fluoride in water is a good idea?

Because science. See above.

Or explain why the federal reserve is so secretive in how it handles money,

It's a national security issue.

or why the War On terror hasn't really ended?

Because it is not over.

You once again ignore my reply and deflect my evidence by presenting red herrings. Ok we can play. I’ll be your huckleberry.

Yabuturtle wrote: Can anyone explain why something that was used as detergent is in cereals? And it was removed when it was shown to be harmful to the environment.

https://www.theingredientguru.com/2015/09/why-is-trisodium-phosphate-added-to-our-food/

Did you do any actual research on any of these claims or are you just spreading rumors like usual? Trisodium phosphate is nothing more than a salt. A salt is an ionic compound that can be formed by the neutralization reaction of an acid and a base and our body needs them to live. Take a common salt such as table salt. Ever put it on a slug or on some ice on your driveway? Pretty toxic to those things right? Ever put it on your food? Not so bad is it?

Anything can poison you if you eat enough of it. If you eat too much table salt you can poison yourself. People have drank sea water for example and done this. It causes symptoms like a feeling of confusion and jitteriness; more severe degrees of intoxication can cause seizures and coma. Death can result if medical intervention is not forthcoming.

These phosphates you talk about are harmful to the environment not because they are toxic but because they contain a high percentage of minerals that can cause plants in water to grow at a substantial rate and that will take the oxygen out of the water for aquatic life. Anything can be made to look like it is harmful for us. Take dihydrogen monoxide, it is one of the most deadly substances on this planet and yet you use it every day. In fact if you did not use it you would die.

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrogen_monoxide_parody

Yabuturtle wrote: Can anyone explain why there are airplanes spraying chemicals? And we can't say it's contrails because contrails don't linger for hours or spread out as shown here.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/169729479687326115/

Pretty simple, they are not spraying chemicals. I already mentioned that if anyone were spraying chemicals they would also be spraying them on themselves and their families so this makes no sense. But beyond that contrails are nothing more than streaks of condensed water vapor created in the air by an airplane or rocket at high altitudes in a very similar fashion to how clouds form. Expelled carbon dioxide and water vapor at high altitudes combined with hot humid air from the engine exhaust mixes with the high altitude colder surrounding air, causing the water vapor to condense into droplets or ice crystals that form visible clouds.

The rate at which they dissipate is entirely dependent on weather conditions. If the atmosphere is dry the contrail will dissipate quickly but if the atmosphere is near saturation, the contrail will exist for a very long time. Those that do persist because of these natural saturation conditions spread out into cirrus sheets. The different-sized ice crystals in contrails descend at different rates, which spreads the contrail vertically. Then the differential wind shear will spread them horizontally. This is the exact same way cirrus uncinus clouds are formed. It’s just simple science.

Yabuturtle wrote: Can anyone explain why so many countries have cannabis illegal when it is arguably the most useful plant?

I don’t know about the most useful plant but I would agree that it is quite useful and that it should not have been make a schedule one illegal substance. This was mostly done at the turn of the 19th century and was a slow progression of countries that did this over time. It was mostly done because of fear and lack of information and knowledge about the substance and its effects. However over time science (yes, your old enemy, science!) has dispelled much of the rumor and mystery and it is now becoming a mainstream and beneficially accepted substance. Although we have a way to go yet I think you will find it legalized in your lifetime.

Yabuturtle wrote: Can anyone explain why drinking fluoride in water is a good idea?

To reduce tooth decay. Fluoridated water contains fluoride at a level that is effective for preventing cavities; this can occur naturally or by humans adding fluoride. Fluoride is found in all natural water supplies at some concentration. It is a naturally occurring substance found in rocks that leaches into groundwater; it’s also found in surface water. The natural level of fluoride in the water varies depending on the type of water (groundwater or surface) and the type of rocks and minerals it’s in contact with. Sometimes the fluoride is above the optimal level. And if those levels are too high, guess what, de-fluoridation is needed when the naturally occurring fluoride level exceeds recommended limits.

Yabuturtle wrote: Or explain why the federal reserve is so secretive in how it handles money, or why the War On terror hasn't really ended?

https://www.thebalance.com/the-federal-reserve-system-and-its-function-3306001

The war on terror has not ended because the terrorists are not all dead yet.

Yabuturtle wrote: To get answers, we need to ask questions, but hardly anyone either knows or just dismisses it.

Yes you are right, why haven’t you been asking the questions and then going out and finding the answers instead of making assumptions, not doing any research, cherry picking evidence from disreputable sites and people and not asking truly qualified experts in their fields or better yet, doing the work yourself to prove or disprove your fears? Instead you rely on other fear mongers and feed on their tainted rhetoric.

Adder wrote: Can anyone explain why something that was used as detergent is in cereals? And it was removed when it was shown to be harmful to the environment.

Because science. Science is incomplete, and without contrary evidence decisions are made. When new evidence emerges, decisions are made again which change prior decisions.

Can anyone explain why there are airplanes spraying chemicals? And we can't say it's contrails because contrails don't linger for hours or spread out as shown here.

Contrails... it just depends on the upper winds as to about their shape and how long they stay.

Can anyone explain why so many countries have cannabis illegal when it is arguably the most useful plant?

Everyone in power saw what happened in the Opium wars, and did not want to risk weakening their own nations in such times of conflict and competition.

Can anyone explain why drinking fluoride in water is a good idea?

Because science. See above.

Or explain why the federal reserve is so secretive in how it handles money,

It's a national security issue.

or why the War On terror hasn't really ended?

Because it is not over.

It's fine but it doesn't exactly answer my questions. Ingredients like this are in our food. It isn't something to be debated. You can check on these cereals and you will see for it yourself. Would you want me to put something in your cereal that was intended for washing detergent and was even deemed unsafe?

For fluoride, that's a well known poison. That is why they say to not eat toothpaste. Because there is fluoride in it The excuse of having it in water was so it helps prevent cavities. Well I still see plenty of people with cavities so that isn't true either.

Contrails never spread out or linger like that. They dissipate even with the winds but if someone sprays something it lingers around

The war on terror won't end because it's not designed to end. Because unlike wars, you aren't fighting a country or specific group. You can't declare a winner, so it goes on forever.

My thing is not many people even question why things the way they are. Just that it is and anything not status quo must be deemed bad. We have to question more than ever before when you have corrupt officials running the stuff that we need to live on.

Yabuturtle wrote: Contrails never spread out or linger like that. They dissipate even with the winds but if someone sprays something it lingers around

And what is it about this "something" they spray that in your opinion prevents it from being subject to the same heat equation to which regular old water is? If anything, one would think a trail made of an otherwise scarcely present particle type should diffuse all the faster, but I guess it's a special chemical that somehow disobeys fundamentals of thermodynamics. Do you have any physical argument as to what it is and how it can do such a thing? This could be your Nobel Prize, you know.

Yabuturtle wrote: It's fine but it doesn't exactly answer my questions.

Ignoring the evidence will not make it go away mr turtle. Your are only demonstrating that you are being totally dominated in this conversation and your refusal to acknowledge actual facts equates to nothing more than a childish temper tantrum.

Lol Contrails.. well, whatever excuse they use. Weather Modification is in the U.S. Code..

So, they either do it, or have, and still have the capability. Some people think we should put antidepressants in the water supply also. How far do they want to take this?.. and these chemicals are poisons because our natural diet doesn't consist of preservatives and artificial flavoring. We didn't evolve that way...

As far as legalities go.. If you're neighbor doesn't have jurisdiction over your body. Neither does government. It's assumed to though through all manner of prohibitions and licensing. It's what's called soft tyranny, or despotic democracy. A term I like better. That is exactly what Western Democracy has become..

Control through coercion and propaganda..

There's no freedom in the West. No self-government.. Just people who think they have the freedom to create whatever tyranny is agreeable by the 51%.. Mob Rule

Uzima Moto wrote: There's no freedom in the West. No self-government.. Just people who think they have the freedom to create whatever tyranny is agreeable by the 51%.. Mob Rule

Compared to what, idealism or reality, because its obviously an inaccurate statement to say there is 'no freedom', and you say the 'West' so do you propose the 'East' or some other system in operation is better at freedoms? Is maximum freedom even really an ideal? Or should freedom even be the goal - maybe it would it be better for it to be fairness?

I mean in reality, not ideal. Liberty is a physical condition, not an abstract construction..

My statement is completely true. There is no halfway. A person is either free or subject. A subject my have privileges. However, that is at the discretion and pleasure of his sovereign ruler..

The Force has crafted us to be free in our being. Mentally, Spiritually, and physically.. Nature, and its God, has bestowed upon us free will to act, mind to navigate, and heart to connect. Any attempt to arrest the will of another without injury or provocation is tantamount to War..

Being a subject is better then being subjugated. I think its dangerous to think we are not dependent on others for things because its inaccurate. In the same way that I think its dangerous to think that personal freedom represents anything more then individualism. Freedom, indeed liberty, is not equality. Which takes me back to my questions, is freedom really that important when compared to things like equality. They probably work better and exist best when working together like liberty, equality, fraternity sort of thing. It's the difference between civilized and uncivilized in essence, eg; your all free walking among the jungle naked with not a care in mind, until a tiger eats eats you for an entree.

Uzima Moto wrote: The Force has crafted us to be free in our being. Mentally, Spiritually, and physically.. Nature, and its God, has bestowed upon us free will to act, mind to navigate, and heart to connect. Any attempt to arrest the will of another without injury or provocation is tantamount to War..

Has it really? How have you come to this conclusion? That the force of nature bestowed upon you anything or even cares about your existence? It seems more plausible that you were made only to suffer at the cruel hand of nature. 99% of this universe will kill you outright and the small portion that will not will torture you mercilessly. The cruelty of human nature to the pain and suffering you must endure to the dangers of just living your life, it seems to me that nature will kill you without a thought or consideration as to what you think. How has such a system bestowed anything on you? If a God is responsible for this he is a cruel and evil god.