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15 Nov 2018 15:23 - 15 Nov 2018 19:26 #329218 by Kyrin Wyldstar

Yabuturtle wrote: I don't know why some deny it even though the people that are voted in constantly reference it over and over.


Do they really? Have you actually researched ANY of these references below? I think not, wanna see what I found? I’ll bet you don’t because it will expose the lies in each of these references.




Yabuturtle wrote: "First they came for the communists,
and I did not speak out because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists,
and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me...
and there was no one left to speak out for me."
~Martin Niemoeller - Prisoner in a Nazi concentration camp during WWII.


A poem written by Martin Niemoeller about the rise of Nazism. Niemöller was a German Pastor and an anti-Communist that supported Adolf Hitler's rise to power at first. But when Hitler insisted on the supremacy of the state over religion, Niemöller became disillusioned. He became the leader of a group of German clergymen opposed to Hitler. In 1937 he was arrested and eventually confined in Sachsenhausen and Dachau. He was released in 1945 by the Allies. He continued his career in Germany as a clergyman and as a leading voice of penance and reconciliation for the German people after World War II. His statement, sometimes presented as a poem, is well-known, frequently quoted, and is a popular model for describing the dangers of political apathy. It has nothing to do with Secret conspiracy theories to take over the world.





Yabuturtle wrote: "If the American people ever allow PRIVATE BANKS [The Federal Reserve / Bank of Canada...] to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
~Thomas Jefferson


Thomas Jefferson never actually said this quote. It is a fabrication.

www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/privat...s-spurious-quotation





Yabuturtle wrote: "For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. IT IS A SYSTEM WHICH HAS CONSCRIPTED VAST HUMAN AND MATERIAL RESOURCES INFO THE BUILDING OF A TIGHTLY KNIT, HIGHLY EFFICIENT MACHINE THAT COMBINES MILITARY, DIPLOMATIC, INTELLIGENCE, ECONOMIC, SCIENTIFIC AND POLITICAL OPERATIONS. Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed."
~John F. Kennedy, The President and The Press Speech, 1961


This is a quote by JFK that is commonly taken out of context by conspiracy theorists. It is nothing more than cheap quote mining designed to make him appear to say something he did not say. He was actually talking about communism.

www.metabunk.org/explained-jfk-we-are-op...ess-conspiracy.t162/






Yabuturtle wrote: "We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their PROMISES OF DISCRETION for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to DEVELOP OUR PLAN FOR THE WORLD if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during these years. But the world is now more sophisticated and PREPARED TO MARCH TOWARDS A WORLD GOVERNMENT which will never again know war, but only peace and prosperity for the whole of humanity. The supranational sovereignty of an INTELLECTUAL ELITE and WORLD BANKERS is surely preferable to the national auto determination practiced in the past centuries."
~David Rockefeller in an address to the Bilderberger group in Baden-Baden, Germany, June 10, 1991.


The one is of dubious origin, supposedly something he said in 1991, but was never written down. It began showing up only in conspiracy literature in 1993. However when asked about the quote he said:

I don't recall that I have said — and I don't think that I really feel — that we need a world government. We need governments of the world that work together and collaborate. But, I can't imagine that there would be any likelihood — or even that it would be desirable — to have a single government elected by the people of the world.






Yabuturtle wrote: “TODAY AMERICANS WOULD BE OUTRAGED IF U.N. TROOPS ENTERED LOS ANGELES TO RESTORE ORDER; TOMORROW THEY WILL BE GRATEFULl! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond whether real or promulgated (fake), that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS WILL BE WILLINGLY RELINQUISHED for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their WORLD GOVERNMENT."
~Henry Kissinger in an address to the Bilderberger group in Evian, France, May 21, 1992.


This is widely reported as having come from the Bilderberg Conference as well and spoken by Kissinger. It was purportedly recorded by a Swiss diplomat, but no such recording has ever been provided.





Yabuturtle wrote: "For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate INFLUENCE THEY CLAIM WE WIELD OVER AMERICAN POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC INSTITUTIONS. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘INTERNATIONALISTS’ and of conspiring with others around the world to BUILD A MORE INTEGRATED GLOBAL POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC STRUCTURE - one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I STAND GUILTY AND I AM PROUD OF IT.
~David Rockefeller, from his autobiography “Memoirs”

TIME Online: New World Order for the Economy -
www.time/time/magazine/articl ...


Another Quote Mine taken out of context. Here is the rest of the Quote.
(Also the link posted is broken)

The anti-Rockefeller focus of these otherwise incompatible political positions owes much to Populism. "Populists" believe in conspiracies and one of the most enduring is that a secret group of international bankers and capitalists, and their minions, control the world's economy. Because of my name and prominence as head of the Chase for many years, I have earned the distinction of "conspirator in chief" from some of these people.

Populists and isolationists ignore the tangible benefits that have resulted in our active international role during the past half-century. Not only was the very real threat posed by Soviet Communism overcome, but there have been fundamental improvements in societies around the world, particularly in the United States, as a result of global trade, improved communications, and the heightened interaction of people from different cultures. Populists rarely mention these positive consequences, nor can they cogently explain how they would have sustained American economic growth and expansion of our political power without them.





Yabuturtle wrote: "In SEARCHING FOR A NEW ENEMY TO UNITE US, WE CAME UP WITH THE IDEA THAT pollution, THE THREAT OF GLOBAL WARMING, water shortages, famine and the like WOULD FIT THE BILL... All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. THE REAL ENEMY, THEN, IS HUMANITY ITSELF."
~ The First Global Revolution: A Report by the Council of the Club of Rome (global think tank) [September, 1991]
www.clubofrome .
www.amazon.First-Global-Revol ...



(2nd link also broken)
Yes another quote-mine. It tries to make it seem as if the Club of Rome is for the idea of inventing threats to create a common enemy. But the sentences are cherry picked from a paragraph that is actually talking about how historically countries have invented scapegoats. It is mined from this paragraph:

"In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like, would fit the bill. In their totality and their interactions these phenomena do constitute a common threat which must be confronted by everyone together. But in designating these dangers as the enemy, we fall into the trap, which we have already warned readers about, namely mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention in natural processes, and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy then is humanity itself.





Yabuturtle wrote: Council on Foreign Relations -
www.cfr/

Royal Institute of International Affairs -
www.chathamhouse/


Just posting links to web sites provides no context and implies no sinister action. No evidence is provided that there is anything nefarious about these organizations.

The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is a US nonprofit think tank specializing in foreign policy and international affairs. The CFR meetings convene government officials, global business leaders and prominent members of the intelligence and foreign-policy community to discuss international issues. CFR publishes the bi-monthly journal Foreign Affairs, and runs the David Rockefeller Studies Program, which influences foreign policy by making recommendations to the presidential administration and diplomatic community, testifying before Congress, interacting with the media, and publishing on foreign policy issues.

The Royal Institute of International Affairs, commonly known as Chatham House, is a not-for-profit and non-governmental organization based in London whose mission is to analyze and promote the understanding of major international issues and current affairs. It is the originator of the Chatham House Rule and takes its name from the building where it is based.





Yabuturtle wrote: Oh and here is the real reason for the The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 (Bailout).

Sec. 8. Review.
Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and MAY NOT BE REVIEWED BY ANY COURT OF LAW OR ANY ADMINISTRATIVE AGENCY.



This is not actually a reason for anything. The original proposal was submitted to the United States House of Representatives, with the purpose of purchasing bad assets, reducing uncertainty regarding the worth of the remaining assets, and restoring confidence in the credit markets. The amendment was rejected via a vote of the House of Representatives on September 29, 2008, voting 205–228. On October 1, 2008, the Senate debated and voted on an amendment to H.R. 1424, which substituted a newly revised version of the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 for the language of H.R. 1424. The Senate accepted the amendment and passed the entire amended bill. President George W. Bush signed the bill into law within hours of its congressional enactment, creating the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) to purchase failing bank assets

The original plan would have granted the Secretary of the Treasury unlimited power to spend, proofing his or her actions against congressional or judicial review. Section 8 of the Paulson proposal states: "Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency." This provision was not included in the final version

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15 Nov 2018 18:49 #329228 by Kobos
I am going to respectfully ask that this thread be locked and or deleted. If you have a question with someones ideology and choose to call them out you can leave their name out of the title of your thread. Kyrin I really was hoping you were beyond belittling people in such a way. I took the time to meditate on our last exchange and realize my actions were not appropriate or becoming of not just a Jedi but of a well rounded and person with good intentions. Allow people to believe what they want debate it sure but stop being a dick please and thank you.

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15 Nov 2018 19:07 - 15 Nov 2018 19:08 #329230 by Gisteron
Noone is stopping or attempting to stop anyone else from believing as they do. However, I too disapprove of... what ever this is. Make a show off the things people say, heaven knows I'm in no place to call anyone out for that. Granted, the post itself is wholly inoffensive, just pointing out poorly used quotes pulled to support a position that wouldn't hold a lot of water even with them. Every response is on topic and barely at all antagonistic.
A title like this, though, makes it sounds like this was supposed to be a public mockery of a person... That, in my humble opinion, is not appropriate.
I think the title should be adjusted so as to no longer call out any individual, let alone make anyone into a laughing stock like that. Aside from that, I think that as with any other thread it should be up to the users just how much or how long they wish to take part in it.

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15 Nov 2018 19:08 #329231 by Arisaig
Why do I feel we've been here before, not long ago?

Again and again, yet never learning.

I second Kobos. Lock and or delete, as well as some action taken to... Correct... This behaviour.

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15 Nov 2018 19:22 - 15 Nov 2018 19:23 #329232 by Kyrin Wyldstar
The thread is mine and I prefer it to stay open. I believe I have the ultimate authority in that decision outside the admins themselves. However if the title is offensive please by all means change it. I mentioned an individual by name because his quotes were the focus of the conversation, not as a mockery. It is beyond time to edit for me so I cant change it but I have no problem having an admin change the title if it is deemed so necessary.

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15 Nov 2018 19:27 - 15 Nov 2018 19:28 #329233 by Rosalyn J
Done.

I don't agree with this thread btw as there is another like it

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15 Nov 2018 19:33 #329234 by Kyrin Wyldstar

Rosalyn J wrote: Done.

I don't agree with this thread btw as there is another like it


Thanks, the reason I started this one is because the other one is a journal entry and I respect the journal protocol to not post in there.

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15 Nov 2018 19:36 #329236 by Rosalyn J

“Be your genuine self! Allow others to be themselves as well. Do not despair when others do not act the way you would have them act. Rejoice in the fact that they are a part of your Path, but also able to experience their own.”-Senan
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15 Nov 2018 19:42 - 15 Nov 2018 19:42 #329239 by Kyrin Wyldstar

Rosalyn J wrote: This is the one I was referring to:
www.templeofthejediorder.org/forum/open-...orld-wide-revolution


Well I dont agree that they are the same subject but if you do feel free to merge them. Im not trying to be difficult here.

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15 Nov 2018 19:47 #329242 by Rosalyn J
Done

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