Mod Abuse

I know you werent Manu, rereading my post, I prolly could said that better, lol...

And I agree that that (to me) its not that big a deal, look at how much conversation its caused....

Some wanting to be able to speak, using any word possible...

Some wanting a more, civilized conversation...

Idk, I know how I feel, but hey, its not my site...

When it gets where I'm uncomfortable here, I'll leave too...



~from the Hitchhicker's Guide in my Galaxy S3~

Senan wrote: Perhaps this thread is good reason to reflect on a few things...

Nobility: To act with honour.
A Jedi does not engage in petty, mean or otherwise dubious activities. Acting with stature and distinction influences others, offering a compelling example of what can be achieved by those who follow Jediism.

Discipline: To let the self be sole master of the self.
A Jedi’s mind is structured, peaceful, unencumbered by emotions, physical state or external stimuli.

Intervention: To know when not to act.
A Jedi knows how inaction can have as great an impact as action and how some of the greatest lessons are self-taught. To be a victor is also taking that victory from those you protect. A Jedi intervenes only when a Jedi's intervention is required.

Harmony: To be connected to the Force.
A Jedi seeks to live in harmony with the Force, for that is the reason to be a Jedi. To better understand its ways, to better know one's place within it.

I think its fantastic. I don't mean to take anyone's offense lightly, I just learned an awful lot about a lot of people. This has all been words... rough, tumbling, honest words.

Nobody got physically harmed and I don't see such things as the culture here, so...


What did you learn?(don't answer that, just think about it)

Avalonslight wrote:

Jestor wrote:

wonder if the person who originally reported Ob1's post in the other thread is secretly laughing and eating popcorn as this all unravels.

No, this is making that person sick, pissed, sad, and leaving TOTJO...

Probably not as humorous....

Edit: considering leaving TOTJO...

This would be very unfortunate as I would imagine said individual is probably rather respected in the community as a whole. I should hope that the reactions and outbursts of one individual over a single incident would not taint someone's view of the community to that degree, though I would also understand entirely if they did...

Jestor is being excessive. The individual in question wouldn't leave just because of such an incident, and I know the individual in question was already interested in spending time doing other things in an other place... Things are happening, but not randomly. No-one I've spoken to is having knee-jerk reactions..

In the example I gave earlier, "C" (the mod) is losing out too.... I talked to one of the mods (via PM) and he made it clear he was getting no pleasure from doing it...

I'm starting to think that the "report to moderator"button is the culprit here. Why make the effort of talking things out, when you can click on a link, bitch as much as you want, and have someone else do your dirty work for you?

ren wrote: Why make the effort of talking things out, when you can click on a link, bitch as much as you want, and have someone else do your dirty work for you?

Geez, don't put ideas into peoples heads :lol:
I haven't seen it. Doesn't mean a problem doesn't exist because I haven't seen it though... but it's not from the absence of looking
:ohmy:

I think the question everyone is forgetting to ask is "is it worth all this trouble?"

If you have an opinion on a subject and you don't want it to be deleted, go start a free WordPress page and blog until your heart is content, then you are in charge and nobody can delete it except you. Link it in your TotJO profile page so people can see it and interact if desired.

As for TotJO well the mods are in charge and have the power end of story.

I've been put off coming onto the TotJO website recently because there seems to be a lot of aggression in every post I see. Before posting anything I think every member should think about the Creed, read it to themselves then think about why they want to post, and if it is in line with the beliefs of this Temple.

SkiddyJ wrote: I think the question everyone is forgetting to ask is "is it worth all this trouble?"...
Before posting anything I think every member should think about the Creed, read it to themselves then think about why they want to post, and if it is in line with the beliefs of this Temple.

Amen, brother!

ren wrote: Let's look at this hypothetical situation.
A:-Black people are more likely to commit a violent crime
B:-You are racist, I am reporting you.
A:- Why so confrontational?
C:- Locking thread/ Deleting post.
[strike]- But I'm black and I don't commit crimes, and my black friends got beat up by a chinese guy just yesterday[/strike]
[strike]E:- I think police profiling methods cause a vicious circle.[/strike]


A makes a statement (which may be true or false)
B makes a personal attack and acted anti-socially by reporting A's comment
A asks a question
C censors A, and endorses B's personal attack
D didn't get to tell his story.
E doesn't look at police profiling methods or statistics and doesn't share his findings

Conclusion: Everyone loses.

Rickie wrote: How often does a - e happen?

Should it make difference if we did know on individual level? Does not make difference. It is a problem that affects others, takes people with the problem, gives me more worries than on single level.

I do see that it builds up, see that this hypothetical situation starts with low profile and questions come after it advanced. How to deal with it in early state would be more helpful. Keep it between less people would be better than to spread it out, affecting many. As ren said: ,,everyone loses'' To make ''everyone'' that is involved with the problem small is a good way to start.

Personally I think that the best way to deal with these kind of problems, is not trough use of forum. It really helps to talk about it, and to give it attention. It has many advantages, but it does not solve. People that noticing trouble within own conflicts. One should tell that to a 3rd person that focuses on these problems as a mediator. I do believe that there are many people in the temple that do that already, so if not it will escalate.
Most people will feel more comfortable if they are able to talk out their words, not all people are able to undertake that step. I would suggest to be more 'aggressive', and to ask people more early if they feel problem, so the temple can help these people early. Suggest to use this method more often. Make it a standard doing in the temple, feels like a good way to go. Hopefully it will be considered by the council. Hope that this thread will bring beautiful alternatives and solutions.

Believe that I have spoken out all what I wanted to say, so until there come new questions I will not respond in this topic. Just to try keeping my post a bit more useful I guess.. :blush:

May the force be with your problems and solutions,

~ Aqua

:laugh:

Being a moderator of various forums throughout my life, I think the way the situation was handled (both ways) was bad.

I don't like the idea of an user throwing a tantrum for something, or opening a thread like this, and I really don't think the repercussions of this could be good.

However, I'm against moderators locking/deleting threads just because someone reported them. See, we are in a community made for people who think differently. Even the existence of Jediism is viewed as an offense for some fundamentalists. The very first lesson of the IP, reading Campbell, can feel offensive for some people. Because of that, I think the idea of "deleting/locking something because people found offensive" to be awful. Unless someone's personally offended, like "you, John Doe, is a stupid piece of sh*t", then I see no reason to delete something just because of the sensitive nature of it.

We are in a religious/philosophical environment, everything debated here will be offensive to someone.