Mod Abuse

I don't know if OB's response to these events is the most respectful or whatever, but neither do I care. Offense is never given, it is taken. I do not support censorship. Guidelines are perfectly reasonable, of course, but I've seen plenty of knights swearing. If anyone's being censored because of their language, or the topics that they choose to discuss (within reason), that's a problem.

If OB was censored for starting a thread where he were actively expressing approval of slavery and announcing the superiority of his race above all others, insulting those who disagreed with him, etc., then MAYBE deleting the comments or the thread would be the proper course of action. I don't see him doing that. But deleting comments because you don't like the word choice? Don't make me laugh. There's not one "naughty" word (arbitrarily bad words, by the way; there is no reason to consider them bad at all) that anyone at TOTJO could say which every single member hasn't heard on the playground in elementary school.

And, frankly, if OB was taking part in self-censorship and another user wasn't, and OB was further censored while the other member wasn't, that's absurd and at the same time disheartening. It becomes a smudge on the moral character of the moderators of this website and gives all of us who are part of the temple a bad name.

TheDude wrote: I don't know if OB's response to these events is the most respectful or whatever, but neither do I care. Offense is never given, it is taken.

I respectfully disagree with that statement, but am too dumbfounded by its use to argue at this point in time xD Offense is handed out freely on a near ubiquitous basis. I do have to admit, however, that TotJO is one of the places I've found it the least

What to do in internet conflicts/misunderstandings/grievances:

• 1) If you feel aggrieved by another person's actions and behaviours, and wish to resolve it as a mature adult would, speak with them. If they don't answer immediately, give it time. This is the internet - we're spread around the world, most of us have lives, and those lives are not always spent on here. Much is lost in translation, and communication usually does not happen in real time.

• 2) If you do not get a satisfactory response, either...

- A: Bring it up with a peer of theirs, someone who is neutral or impartial, if you're still interested in resolving it as a mature adult would. Or,
- B: Post a forum thread detailing a litany of grievances and complaints for all to see, without the other party even present to explain their own actions. This has the nice side effect of making you the centre of attention and creating a dramafest, but it's rather poor form. It also shows that you have absolutely no respect for the other party whatsoever.

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I disagree with the actions taken, but I disagree 10000% more with the fact that this thread even exists. Take a deep breath, walk away, think this whole thing over and come back to it with a cool head. If I had $20, I'd bet you $20 that even you will find it silly to have done all this after that. Sadly, I don't have $20, and I'm not a betting man anyways. So it goes.

Lykeios wrote: For someone with the username which includes "Shinobi," you sure do make a lot of noise...

I dislike political correctness too, but it really just looks rude to post these sorts of things publicly.

im curious what line of reasoning you used to reach the conclusion that this was at all the right thing to say?

what are you hoping your influence achieves in this situation?

because if you want to influence a situation to improve you should 1 understand it 2 be honest and impartial and 3 seek solutions and interactions respectfully

yours was the first truly worthless comment in this discusion

hiddeninthesnow wrote:

TheDude wrote: I don't know if OB's response to these events is the most respectful or whatever, but neither do I care. Offense is never given, it is taken.

I respectfully disagree with that statement, but am too dumbfounded by its use to argue at this point in time xD Offense is handed out freely on a near ubiquitous basis. I do have to admit, however, that TotJO is one of the places I've found it the least

I don't remember if it was here or another place that I found this:
https://www.brainpickings.org/2015/10/06/dropping-ashes-on-the-buddha-hate-mail/
Caution: some use of offensive language.


That is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. One person acts with the intention of the other person being offended. The person, instead of being offended, chooses not to be offended. Offense was not had because it was not taken, even though the intention of the original act was for the person to be offended. I truly believe that (metaphysically) offense is not something which can be given, only encouraged. And, honestly, being offended by someone's self-censored use of a slur which wasn't directed at anybody or meant to be used in an offensive manner during a discussion about political correctness seems to me to be just immature.

Kamizu wrote:

OB1Shinobi wrote: he was logged in long enough to delete two of my comments and one of my new topics

Do you get some sort of notification that it's him or are you assuming? And then does that mean that some sort of emergency couldn't come up on his end that he needed to take care of? Or even maybe he felt the need to step away from the computer. Maybe he got abducted by aliens? Are you monitoring his home to know?

IM PILOTING THE SHIP
WE DONT GOT HIM!!

Edan wrote:

if im being a jerk it is because i was being ignored as a nice guy - so now i am saying i want an apology and i want my thread re opened
and i want him to acknowledge that he misbehaved and make an apology AS A JEDI

in actuality i know thats not likely, but what i do achieve with this is that the situation is made public and will be remembered and if he continues his abuse towards others who he personally dislikes then it will be that much easier for said others to make the case

I asked Des to temporarily close the thread because there were a few unnecessarily heated comments... If you want to take issue with that then please come to me.

Des has not misbehaved, he has done his job as a forum mod. Not agreeing with his actions doesn't mean he has abused his position.

i think the perception may be that i dismissed this a bit more readily than i should have

i want to make sure that i acknowledge that it makes a difference that you asked him to close the thread

i disagree that it was necessary as i think it was actually being handled well but i understand

OB1Shinobi wrote:

Kamizu wrote:

OB1Shinobi wrote: he was logged in long enough to delete two of my comments and one of my new topics

Do you get some sort of notification that it's him or are you assuming? And then does that mean that some sort of emergency couldn't come up on his end that he needed to take care of? Or even maybe he felt the need to step away from the computer. Maybe he got abducted by aliens? Are you monitoring his home to know?

IM PILOTING THE SHIP
WE DONT GOT HIM!!

This is how I'm picturing this going


"Captain we've got him! "
"What's this? ! This is a nuke! I wanted Desolous not desolate! ....being me my cookie. ..."

So, Hunter... what exactly are you trying to accomplish with a public thread pretty much designed to cause an uproar?

There are many ways to handle this solution. And, while I think you have some good points, you are posting to a crowd that really has nothing to do with what is going on. I don't have any problem with Des's mod abilities. I have always tried to bend the rules here (Jestor can attest to that). But, whenever I used to make gestures like this, they were always followed with regret.

I have the feeling that mindfulness didn't go into this decision. Because, there are tactful ways to get these problems resolved. PM-ing Jestor, Alex, or any of the admin team would have been a good option because then the people who took oaths to resolve these issues would be involved.. not the public where it is distracting from practice.

And, furthermore, you accuse Des of not acting like a Jedi... while I know you have the guest rank, you have taken Jedi courses (mine even, at IJRS). And, the energy coming off of this OP and your subsequent responses is much less Jedi than anything Des has done today.

Please, I implore you, just take a step back and consider exactly what you want to gain from this move. Because if you were to see from a larger perspective, you would see the lack of positive impact a post like this could have. Which is depressing, I know.

Kamizu wrote: OB, I may be reading into this but it sounds like you're throwing a tantrum. If Des didn't respond to a PM, perhaps something took him offline. He doesn't live here. There are also other mods that have those kind of powers. Are you sure (with proof) he was responsible for all of this? Or are you looking for an outlet for your anger?

You also don't know who else got PMs about their words. And that's not for you to know.

i have no way of knowing whats going on with him or anyone else

what i do know is that tzb and i both said the same thing and i was deleted

i asked him why i was deleted and i was ignored

when i started speaking publicly i was deleted again

at this point im ALMOST tired of the conversation

im not angry - but if anyone thinks that "watch your language -- DELETE/IGNORE" is the way to have a healthy respectful and mature forum for discussion then i submit that it is not