Misogynism

I feel I've benefitted from your posts Brenna. Just putting things out there gets me thinking about them when I otherwise might not. To be fair, I'm grateful to Ren for that reason aswell.

If Brenna posts something that has actual studied statistics about the oppression of women, it's brushed off as feminist propaganda. If she posts about her own experiences, it's brushed off as just a woman whining. She's right that it's impossible for her to form an argument that people don't just brush off as women accidentally speaking again.

No, individual experiences don't prove anything. Until so many people report the same individual experiences. That's a trend, and it's a problem in this case.

People should not have to get over being raped, sexually assaulted, or touched inappropriately just because other people might have it worse. Everyone always has a right to stand up against their oppression, even when others have it worse.

For some reason I threw this together. It might explain why people who are not effected by something seem to have a simplistic view of it... the concept just is not mature enough. It cross references a model of human development against this sort of issue;

Empowerment should not come by weakening others. Being a man of strength in no way relies on the abilities of women.

Abhaya Budhil wrote: If Brenna posts something that has actual studied statistics about the oppression of women, it's brushed off as feminist propaganda. If she posts about her own experiences, it's brushed off as just a woman whining. She's right that it's impossible for her to form an argument that people don't just brush off as women accidentally speaking again.

No, individual experiences don't prove anything. Until so many people report the same individual experiences. That's a trend, and it's a problem in this case.

People should not have to get over being raped, sexually assaulted, or touched inappropriately just because other people might have it worse. Everyone always has a right to stand up against their oppression, even when others have it worse.

I put it to you that it is not oppression. That it is the belief of oppression that creates the feeling of being oppressed. That If you do not believe you can be oppressed, you cannot be oppressed. they cannot steal that which you do not possess.

Adder wrote: For some reason I threw this together. It might explain why people who are not effected by something seem to have a simplistic view of it... the concept just is not mature enough. It cross references a model of human development against this sort of issue;

Where's anti-activism? the senile adult category? :silly:

So if women just stop believing they are oppressed they won't be discriminated against in hiring, raped at higher rates than men, seen as nothing more than sexual objects, taught to be quiet and "lady-like", killed for being women, told they are responsible for their own rapes, killed for being raped out of wedlock, underrepresented in higher paying fields, government, and media, brushed aside and silenced, etc.? You'll have to forgive me for thinking that is the worst plan for overcoming oppression that I have ever heard. It's easy to say "pretend it's not happening" when you aren't the one being oppressed. It's much different when you live with the reality daily.

ren wrote: Where's anti-activism? the senile adult category?

I mean activism to mean direct action/activity, and not the running around yelling and sitting in protests etc.

If someone was anti-something, then they are something else, and this would apply to what they are, not what they are against.
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In all fairness it isn't just women being oppressed. You speak of women being raped more often than men but that can only be proven through reported incidents. What man can admit to being raped without being looked down upon by society?

I feel that it is important for all groups to advocate for a better society. But that doesn't mean saying, "Our problems are more important than yours". All people have problems and if we get into an argument about who has worse problems then in reality we are adding to that list of problems and not solving any of them.

May the Force be with you,
Rai

Abhaya Budhil wrote: So if women just stop believing they are oppressed they won't be discriminated against in hiring, raped at higher rates than men, seen as nothing more than sexual objects, taught to be quiet and "lady-like", killed for being women, told they are responsible for their own rapes, killed for being raped out of wedlock, underrepresented in higher paying fields, government, and media, brushed aside and silenced, etc.? You'll have to forgive me for thinking that is the worst plan for overcoming oppression that I have ever heard. It's easy to say "pretend it's not happening" when you aren't the one being oppressed. It's much different when you live with the reality daily.

I find it very easy.