Jedi and Sexual Orientation

Yes I can tell a difference at least in the hundreds of photos I've researched.

Red Lila wrote:
Maynoth, most before and after surgery photos are taken within 1 week to six months of surgery and haven't had a proper chance to heal. Most gynecologists can't even tell once the healing has finished. If you are certian you can always tell you may have limited sample skewing your perspective.

Also, all the traits that you described as being "only in men" occur in cisgender women as well, not as commonly, certainly, but they do occur. Also the opposite is true, plenty of people born male don't have these traits.

I'm transgender myself and I lack both the adams apple and the knob you speak of and I didn't begin hormone therapy until I was 24 and I haven't had any surgeries yet. There is no "male and female" as some sort of binary toggle in any species. Its always a spectrum from one extreme to the other. In our culture we've defined them in a binary sense, taking both extremes and treating them as the only options but the majority of people fall somewhere in the middle, generally leaning more toward one side or the other excepting in the case of intersex disorders where the individual is closer to the middle. As far as genetics go, the body is not defined by whether you have xx or xy in your main genetic code but by your karyotype. There are cisgender women with xy choromosomes because when their body was forming in the womb, only the X chromosome passed to the karyotic cells even though they have a Y chromosome.

Oh and since I scrolled through the thread I'll mention that I'm lesbian both sexually and romantically.

It is a cultural bias that requires investigation in the first place.

Are you attracted? Horny? Both?

My 2 cents.

i have to say i can usually tell if someone was born male... the energy is usually different at least for me it is

Tonyib369 wrote: i have to say i can usually tell if someone was born male... the energy is usually different at least for me it is

I don't know how much I can take stock in this, no personal attack meant. From the 60 or so people in my life I've met claiming sensitivity to auras or energy around a person. This sort of difference was only ever brought up amongst people who already knew the person they were talking about was trans and in a few cases they said the opposite about me, "that I had no such 'different energy'" up until I reveal I'm trans and then they suddenly 'noticed' it.

Granted, I think aura reading is just a passive observation process wherein people take in all the information and form an intuitive sense of a person rather than using literal abductive reasoning but the results are largely the same, equally as relavent, and just as seated in personal opinion and bias.

not trying to sound rude, but it's pretty obvious when the junk is fake... doesnt smell real, looks different, doesnt lube, doesnt stretch like a vagina, no cervix....

ren wrote: not trying to sound rude, but it's pretty obvious when the junk is fake... doesnt smell real, looks different, doesnt lube, doesnt stretch like a vagina, no cervix....

Quite the contrary, the lining of a neovagina is the same kind of tissue and gives off the same scent as a natal vagina. Obviously the neovagina will never smell like someone is on their period but unless they lied and said they were or just had been you'd have no reason to suspect from that. Vaginas all look different, some are pretty some are not and there are millions of variations, the neovagina create through surgery is well within the variations found in nature. You're right that it doesn't lube in most cases but they can do that too if the surgeon accounts for it by using a portion of the colon or intestine. The stretching part is absolutely wrong, while dilators are necessary in the early stages to increase depth and elasticity, after the first 6 months to a year the neo vagina can stretch just as much as a natal vagina. Of course there's no cervix, there's no uterus, however, most surgeons do the stitching at the time of surgery to simulate a cervix and the average person wouldn't know the difference.

I'd like to demonstrate a point with some images to quiz you but I don't want to post a link to such images even in a non-sexualized form where minors may see it as some of our members are minors, so PM me for the quiz if you'd like to take it and see if you can actually spot the difference.

I waited too long to edit, but most surgeons performing the vaginoplasty these days implant a small culture of healthy vaginal bacteria at the time of surgery so that the tissue is taken better care of by the body and it helps avoid infections, this also results in the neo-vagina having the same smell as natal vaginas.

Well you learn something new everyday. I do however agree that I couldn't be with a transgender. Just the fact would make it weird for me. But I wouldn't say that I couldn't be friends with one either. They are people too. In fact I don't think you could automatically see a transgender.

Medical science is just too good.

ferreire580 wrote: Well you learn something new everyday. I do however agree that I couldn't be with a transgender. Just the fact would make it weird for me. But I wouldn't say that I couldn't be friends with one either. They are people too. In fact I don't think you could automatically see a transgender.

Medical science is just too good.

My point is by the time you got to the point of discovering these, ahem, intimate details you may have had quite a bit of quality time getting to know her. Then where would feelings and beliefs stand? Surprised?

ferreire580 wrote: Well you learn something new everyday. I do however agree that I couldn't be with a transgender. Just the fact would make it weird for me.

There was a discussion about this notion on Reddit and whether it was transphobic. There was some interesting analysis but the overall notion was, if you couldn't be with a trans woman who hadn't had SRS because of the penis and that's the reason, then that's not transphobic, you're equally unlikely to be with a man in that case, its the equivalent of a deal breaker, like "no smokers" or something of that nature.

If, as you say, you couldn't tell, and you'd have no idea unless she told you, assuming she's had surgery, how would she be any different from a woman who told you she couldn't self lubricate because of a disorder that also caused her to be unable to have kids? Mechanically that's no different than a trans woman and is actually surprisingly common amongst cisgender women (I'll leave theories on to why things like that are becoming more prominent in our species for other discussions). Again, not self lubricating, or can't have kids could be deal breakers for you too and that's still not transphobic. But if the answer is, you wouldn't have a problem being with her, what about trans people do you actually take issue with? Trans women are women, you're not gay or bi for being attracted to one and likewise a woman attracted to a trans man isn't a lesbian.

tl;dr: given that the limitations of trans women sexually can occur amongst cisgender women (and even tend to group up like that on cis women). What, if anything, makes that trans woman unsuitable as a love interest to you?