Jedi and Sexual Orientation

maynoth wrote: No sadly, when we die all that is left of us is a husk, a burnt out subconscious mind, it has no willpower, no volition, no ability to comprehend or even remember emotion, all it does is have a basic memory of our lives. It's an even worse fate than being made of flesh.

How do you know? Have you been dead before?

I believe that was an assumption based on your current belief system.

I want everyone to rememeber that words can sting just as much as a slap to the face like a wet leather glove.

If one truely beive that they have the right answer and that their is no room for improvement or change, then this probably isn't the place for them. We constantly learn form one another and celebrate our diversity. There is a beautiful harmony in our chaos that we embrace and it is not set by finite definitions, uncapable of change.

Yes, I have been dead before and so have you.

What I say is not my religious belief, but my own direct observation during deep states of meditation, spirits are not like human minds at all.

This stuff you see on Ghost Hunters is nothing like reality.

The yang aspect our conscious thinking mind scatters back into the environment at death, all that is left is our yin subconscious mind.

Wescli Wardest wrote:

maynoth wrote: No sadly, when we die all that is left of us is a husk, a burnt out subconscious mind, it has no willpower, no volition, no ability to comprehend or even remember emotion, all it does is have a basic memory of our lives. It's an even worse fate than being made of flesh.

How do you know? Have you been dead before?

I believe that was an assumption based on your current belief system.

I want everyone to rememeber that words can sting just as much as a slap to the face like a wet leather glove.

If one truely beive that they have the right answer and that their is no room for improvement or change, then this probably isn't the place for them. We constantly learn form one another and celebrate our diversity. There is a beautiful harmony in our chaos that we embrace and it is not set by finite definitions, uncapable of change.

This is an assumption based on your interpretation. Which I would think qualifies as a belief. And, as you refer to religious doctrine to support your observation… religious belief.

I am not saying that you’re wrong. But, until I die, I will not be able to prove you right. There should always be room to expand our ideas. If we are to remain locked in our way of thinking then what is the point of exploring new avenues?

I believe that the TV show Ghost Hunters is a bunch of hoopla… that does NOT mean I do not believe in the possibility of the super-natural. Common sense would dictate one thing while experience would suggest another. It is quite possible that we are not meant to have all the answers in our current state. Some things may very well be reserved for another part of our journey. I am not arrogant enough to suggest that I know which is which or what is what.

Assumptions have nothing to do with it.

I am telling you what I've seen and experienced first hand, like if I described how my back yard looked to you would be based on what I've seen and experienced.

You can believe me, or think I am insane, or a liar, or whatever.

What you think about me doesn't really matter to me personally.

You can choose to believe me or not. (most likely not)

When you are in a profoundly deep state of meditation you as well should be able to perceive the same thing for yourself.

Wescli Wardest wrote: This is an assumption based on your interpretation. Which I would think qualifies as a belief. And, as you refer to religious doctrine to support your observation… religious belief.

I am not saying that you’re wrong. But, until I die, I will not be able to prove you right. There should always be room to expand our ideas. If we are to remain locked in our way of thinking then what is the point of exploring new avenues?

I believe that the TV show Ghost Hunters is a bunch of hoopla… that does NOT mean I do not believe in the possibility of the super-natural. Common sense would dictate one thing while experience would suggest another. It is quite possible that we are not meant to have all the answers in our current state. Some things may very well be reserved for another part of our journey. I am not arrogant enough to suggest that I know which is which or what is what.

Some people experience death and report that during that experience they saw a light. Yes they experienced it… what their interpretation of the experience is an opinion. And theses opinions are often influenced by their personal belief system.

I am not saying that interpretation is wrong… just that it is their interpretation. The only way, I think, we will know for certain is when we die.

Your back yard is something tangible that can be measured, identified and quantified. It is a tangible object that can be displayed and anyone can experience it. Sure, the individual interpretation of your back yard may vary slightly from person to person, but there will be a common frame of reference. Your personal experience during a private experience can be shared (via your interpretation of said experience) but the common person can not step into your soul and experience what you experience. And so we have to go with your interpretation of it. Do you understand what I’m getting at?

Personally, I believe that when we move on our bodies that we leave behind become empty things. Discarded because they are no longer needed. I believe that the “soul” is and that our bodies make it possible to share in the human experience. This is based on nothing more than my opinion based on a lifetime of experiences. I have NO proof to support that. And I’m okay with that, it’s my belief. But that does not mean I expect anyone else to believe the same. I will not say, “this is how it is.” I feel that each person needs to come to their own conclusion… discover their own truth.

I am telling you Wescli, that if you spent the time to learn the specific form of meditation that is necessary for this, and we were together in the same room meditating and a spirit were present we would both share a consensus reality of the event, just like if I showed you my backyard.

What I am talking about aren't imagined phenomenon, nor are they supernatural. It's just an aspect of reality mankind's science and technology haven't probed into yet.

Wescli Wardest wrote: Some people experience death and report that during that experience they saw a light. Yes they experienced it… what their interpretation of the experience is an opinion. And theses opinions are often influenced by their personal belief system.

I am not saying that interpretation is wrong… just that it is their interpretation. The only way, I think, we will know for certain is when we die.

Your back yard is something tangible that can be measured, identified and quantified. It is a tangible object that can be displayed and anyone can experience it. Sure, the individual interpretation of your back yard may vary slightly from person to person, but there will be a common frame of reference. Your personal experience during a private experience can be shared (via your interpretation of said experience) but the common person can not step into your soul and experience what you experience. And so we have to go with your interpretation of it. Do you understand what I’m getting at?

Personally, I believe that when we move on our bodies that we leave behind become empty things. Discarded because they are no longer needed. I believe that the “soul” is and that our bodies make it possible to share in the human experience. This is based on nothing more than my opinion based on a lifetime of experiences. I have NO proof to support that. And I’m okay with that, it’s my belief. But that does not mean I expect anyone else to believe the same. I will not say, “this is how it is.” I feel that each person needs to come to their own conclusion… discover their own truth.

Maybe your statements are not coming across the way you mean them to. So I take no offence to it.

But it sounds as though everything I wrote was completely disregarded and you might be assuming that I have no idea how to “correctly meditate.” Perhaps you should re-read what I have written and meditate on it.

Wescli Wardest wrote: Maybe your statements are not coming across the way you mean them to. So I take no offence to it.

But it sounds as though everything I wrote was completely disregarded and you might be assuming that I have no idea how to “correctly meditate.” Perhaps you should re-read what I have written and meditate on it.

No offense was intended, there is no one type of meditation though for all goals and purposes.

There are thousands of ways to meditate, only a specific form will take you where I am talking about. It isn't visualization, or mantra, being aware of the present moment, or following your breath.

why are so sure there is only one specific path there? have you tried the other thousand forms you mentioned and found out?

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maynoth wrote:

Wescli Wardest wrote: Maybe your statements are not coming across the way you mean them to. So I take no offence to it.

But it sounds as though everything I wrote was completely disregarded and you might be assuming that I have no idea how to “correctly meditate.” Perhaps you should re-read what I have written and meditate on it.

No offense was intended, there is no one type of meditation though for all goa;) ls and purposes.

There are thousands of ways to meditate, only a specific form will take you where I am talking about. It isn't visualization, or mantra, being aware of the present moment, or following your breath.

Your beliefs limit you in the unlimited. They seem narrowly focused and ceratin of that which can't be definable, Confidence is a good thing. Ignorance is when we think we know it all or even enough.

I know because I'm always right and you'r not able to under that or me. If you had my experiences you'd know that.