My belief system

17 Apr 2019 02:03 #337299 by Kyrin Wyldstar
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I think it better to keep things on track here. I know who the witch hunters vs the valid contributors to this thread are. Try try all you want but the fox will not be caught.

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17 Apr 2019 02:51 #337300 by Kelrax Lorcken
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Lenny C wrote: This is an article with my relationshipto the force and all that I have learned. I will have a biography but not sure which forum to put it in.
Anyway here is the article it's quite long..
In ancient Egypt, the surviving histories reveal that the Jedi manifested as the Djedi (hence the name “Jedi”) which was a sect of the priesthood and Masters of the Force that protected the Pharaoh; and in Persia they were the Narts, guardians of a Holy Grail called the Nartmongue and the protectors of enlightened priest kings who lived at least one thousand years before King Arthur and his Knights of the Round Table.

The remarkable history and wisdom of these two early sects of “Jedi” Knights was first introduced to the West by the Knights Templar, who upon returning from the Middle East in the 13th and 14th centuries, distilled “Jedi” histo­ries learned from the Sufis into a series of lengthy Holy Grail legends. Within these pithy legends the Templars syn­thesized the powerful emperors and priest kings of the past into the enigmatic figure of the Fisher King, the resident of a Grail Castle and the owner of various manifestations of the Holy Grail. His well-being and the safekeeping of his castle’s Holy Grail relics was given over to an order of Knights of the Grail, who were a distillation of the early “Jedi” Knights from Egypt and Persia. But the Knights Templar let it be known that they were not just historians of the an­cient Masters of the Force; they were themselves a latter day version of “Jedi” Knights. This truth was boldly and au­thoritatively proclaimed in Parzival by Knight Wolfram von Eschenbach when he specifically referred to the Fisher King’s Holy Grail Knights as Templars. Parzival, as well as other historical references put forth in the Middle Ages re­garding the Templars, implied that the Knights had inherited wisdom of the Force that had been passed down to them almost directly from their ancient, antecedent “Jedi” Knights. Thus, from at least one perspective, the forma­tion of the Knights Templar in 1118 CE could be historically entitled the “Return of the Jedi”! But if this is true, what happened to the Templars’ “Jedi” wisdom? Does it still exist?

In recorded history, the Secrets of the Force of the “Jedi” Knights’ were first taught among the Egyptian “Jedi” or Djedi, who may have received them from a much earlier pre-historical “Jedi” Knight order, perhaps one from Atlan­tis. One Djedi priest mentioned in the Egyptian’s Westcar Papyrus is said to have possessed the key that opened the “secret chambers of the sanctuary of Thoth,” who many esoteric historians believe was a missionary and Master of the Force from Atlantis. Within his sanctuary were books authored by Thoth that covered in detail the physics behind ac­tivating and developing the Force through alchemy—the art that Thoth-Hermes would eventually become the recog­nized patron of throughout the world. Through Thoth’s alchemy, the esoteric symbol of which is the caduceus, a fu­ture Djedi could awaken the normally dormant “serpent” power, the fiery Force at the base of his spine, and then move it upwards to his head where it would culminate in supernatural powers and intuitive, gnostic wisdom. The proof that a Djedi had accomplished this alchemy is intrinsic to his name, which was, essentially, an honorific title. The Djed of Djedi denoted “column,” while the root word or sound Dj denoted “serpent.” Thus, a Djedi was one who had awakened the Dj or serpent at its seat and then raised it up his or her Djed “column” or spine to the head. Those Djedi that succeeded in this inner ascension could potentially become immortal, which is yet another meaning of Djedi. As the Serpent Force rises up the spine, its alchemical fire of transformation moves within every cell of the body and raises the frequency of human flesh to that of “immortal” pure energy. Because of the spine’s association with immortality, the Djed column or pillar became for the Egyptians a symbol of immortality, and they traditionally covered their mummies and sarcophagi with symbolic Djed images in hopes of achieving immortal life in the here­after.

Through raising the inner serpent power, the Djedi acquired an abundance of Force which could be used to per­form supernatural feats similar to those associated with Lucas’s Jedi. For example, the Djedi of the Westcar Papyrus who possessed the key to the secret chambers of Thoth was said to have acquired the power to reattach the severed heads of animals at will. Other Djedi are mentioned in Egyptian history as traversing the scorching Egyptian sands with only their magical staffs and/or becoming powerful magicians in the service of the Pharaohs. Some Djedi are found in the service of the Pharaoh that Moses and Aaron confronted in order to demand freedom for the Hebrews. At the Pharaoh’s command his Djedi magicians turned their staffs into live serpents, which represented the serpent power that each Djedi possessed. But Aaron’s staff also turned into a snake, albeit a much larger snake than those of the Djedi, and it proceeded to consume their smaller serpents, thus proving the superiority of his serpent power to theirs.

The wisdom of the Djedi that the Knights Templar learned about may have first entered the Middle East as early as the Exodus, since Menetho tells us that the Hebrew leader Moses had been initiated into all the secrets of Egypt’s priesthood during his formative years in the country. The wisdom of Djedi may have also arrived many years later when Dhul-Nun al-Misri traveled from Egypt to the Middle East after spending many years studying the alchemical hieroglyphs covering the temples and obelisks of Egypt. With the esoteric wisdom he discovered, Dhul-Nun al-Misri founded the Al-banna, the Sufi sect of “Freemasons.” According to the Sufi Idris Shah, the Al-banna were teachers of the Templars during the years the Knights resided in the Al-Aqsa Mosque on the Temple Mount. Much of the wisdom of alchemy and the Force that resulted from the Templar-Al-banna intercourse was later taken into the continent of Europe by Templars who assimilated it into fledgling Speculative Freemasonry.

The order of “Jedi” Knights known of by the Templars was the Order of the Nart Knights, Masters of the Force of the ancient Persian Empire. Possibly as old or older than the Djedi of Egypt, the Narts may have existed as early as King Jamshid, one of the incipient Persian kings of legend who ruled during the time of “Airyan Vaejahi,” the Persian Golden Age that some historians have placed as early as 20,000 BCE. Jamshid was a classic example of the Fisher King of Grail legend in that he suffered a fall from pride and lost his Force, or “Farr” as it was called in Persia, although he had previously adhered to a righteous path and been a renowned Master of the Force. Jamshid engendered a lineage of Farr-empowered priest kings that culminated in the highly spiritual Kayanid Dynasty founded by King Key-Khosrow, the “Persian King Arthur.” Records state that, like King Arthur, Key-Koshrow possessed knights (the “Narts”) who were associated with a Holy Grail (the “Nartmongue”) and conducted their meetings around a table similar to Arthur’s Round Table. The mystical legends of Key-Khosrow and his Narts were eventually compiled into the Nart Sagas during the later Persian Empire and have since been regarded as Persian counterparts to Europe’s Holy Grail legends. According to From Scythia to Camelot, the Nart Sagas may have first entered Europe with bands of Persian Sarmatian warriors who were in the hire of the Roman legions. The authors of this theory, Littleton and Malcor, make the interesting observation that King Arthur and his Knights may have themselves been Sarmatian sol­diers and members of a Roman legion stationed at what was Hadrians Wall with orders to protect England from the marauding Pics of Scotland. According to this possible scenario, following the downfall of the Roman Empire Arthur and his men would have been released from their Roman service, at which time Arthur would have become king of the newly liberated land of Britain and his fellow soldiers would have been transformed into the Knights of the Round Table. This alternate history of Arthur and his Knights was recently made into a major motion picture entitled “King Arthur” staring Clive Owen as the British monarch.

What little we know today of the Persian Narts suggests that these neo-Jedi Knights were continually seeking to increase their Force in order to become warrior adepts with a high level of spiritual purity and enlightenment. Only those whose dedication to king and country was immaculate could hope to increase their Farr to the degree needed in order to drink from the Nartmongue when it was passed around the Persian Round Table. Certain Narts increased their Farr to such a degree that they became the obvious choice to succeed an outgoing king. Some, like King Key-Lohrasp of the Kayanid Dynasty, became endowed with a mystical temperament and an abundance of gnostic insight. The mystical Key-Lohrasp eventually abdicated his “Fisher King” throne in favor of leading a purely mystical exis­tence deep within the lofty mountains of Persia.

The “Jedi” Secrets of the Force possessed by the early Persian kings and their Narts were preserved within Persian civilization as popular legend for many hundreds of years. Then, in the 11th century CE, Hasan-i-Sabah, the founder of the Order of Assassins that was to become a huge influence on the Knights Templar, revived the ancient Nart tradi­tion. He resurrected the Secrets of the Force and founded a cadre of knights to serve him. Hasan chose for his court the castle of Alamut, the “Eagles Nest,” which was located high in the Albourz Mountains, the region of northern Per­sia that had anciently been the seat of the Persian kings.

Hasan learned the Secrets of the Force both by studying the Nart legends and by traveling to Cairo in his younger years for the purpose of mastering nine mystical degrees of a Sufi mystery school centered within the city. After his graduation Hasan left Egypt and returned home to quickly establish himself as one of the greatest alchemists that Persia had ever seen. He subsequently founded his own mystery school of nine degrees, which eventually became known as the Order of the Assassins. The degrees of alchemical purification of Hasan’s school—which Hasan crypti­cally referred to as the nine steps of ascension up the mystical mountain of Kaf—assisted his Assassin Knights in awakening the inner Force and acquiring gnosis. Hasan’s manual for his mystery school, the Sargozast-i-Sayyid-na, provided a step-by-step guide to the alchemical practices that would lead an aspiring knight to the summit of Kaf.

Hasan’s alchemical Secrets of the Force were passed down to successive generations of Assassins, during which time they became known as the Teaching of the Resurrection. The greatest promoter of these teachings, and a fully enlightened Master of the Force in his own right, was the later Assassin Grand Master Rashid al-din Sinan of Syria. Sinan began his career as a common Assassin knight in Persia but eventually achieved enlightenment and an abun­dance of supernatural powers by adhering closely to Hasan’s alchemy. After being sent to govern the Assassins’ out­post in Syria, Sinan is said to have acquired the power to be able to see into the past or future, and for being able to go for indefinitely long periods without eating or drinking. His psychic ability was also legendary. When a letter was delivered to him it was said that Sinan would hold the unopened letter against his third eye for a moment and then promptly write down and dispatch a reply to the sender.

Through their encounters with Sinan and his knights the Templars, who had nearby castles in Syria, learned some of the Assassins’ Secrets of the Force. The Templars felt an affinity with the Assassins since they were both rene­gade orders of knights aspiring to alchemy and gnosis while being ostensible members of a fundamentalist religion. Sinan, whom the Templars came to call the “Old Man of the Mountains,” awed the Knights with his powers and they coveted his alchemy, which they eventually learned from both him and his knights, as well as from various other Sufi sects. As a compliment to what would eventually become the prodigious amount of Sufi teaching they acquired, the Knights Templar also inherited the gnostic teachings of the Johannite Gnostic Church which had been passed down to them from a series of grand masters beginning with John the Baptist, Jesus, John the Apostle, and Mary Magda­lene.

The Knights Templar would subsequently create their own Holy Grail mystery school tradition comprised of nu­merous levels. The Force, the Knights Templar were to discover, was the true “Holy Grail.” Although the Knights may have possessed certain physical objects which were ascribed the power of a Holy Grail, including the Holy Shroud and perhaps even the cup that Jesus drank from during the Last Supper, they discovered from their Sufi teachers that what made an object a Holy Grail was its accompanying Force or Holy Spirit power. It was this Force that activated and drove the process of alchemy within a Knight and eventually opened him to his inner gnostic wis­dom and supernatural power.

The Templars’ Secrets of the Force eventually passed into some of the Secret Societies of Europe, including the Rosicrucians and Freemasons, and for awhile this wisdom survived in its purity. But it would eventually become grossly distorted, hidden or completely forgotten, and the era of the “Jedi” Knights would come to a grinding halt. But now, certain Templar organizations are making a concerted effort to resurrect the “Jedi” Knight wisdom of Egypt, Persia, and the early Templars. The old gnostic and alchemical rites are beginning to be observed again and the hidden alchemical texts are being pursued in places like Rosslyn Chapel and Languedoc in France.

I do not subscribe to your interpretations but appreciate your willingness to share them openly and without condemnation.

Kelrax "Stormcaller" Lorcken, Jedi Navigator
May The Force Guide You
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17 Apr 2019 03:35 #337301 by Tellahane
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Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Tellahane wrote: Out of the number of times I've been in this situation, that has happened 0 times...perhaps its possible but its nothing like what you may see on TV drama shows...

Well I would say you have experienced a very limited view of the world then. I'm not talking about drama here so I would appreciate you not reducing my experience to a fabricated enactment.

It's worth noting I work in a field where I see this more then any average person likely does, and I wasn't reducing your experience I was making a general statement...
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17 Apr 2019 10:50 #337304 by Gisteron
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Lenny C wrote: Some of you seem to be trying to debunk what I believe, but have retaliated by commenting or even asking your belief or faith.

Why, though? Is this thread not about yours? To ask for/about alternatives adds little to criticisms of what has already been presented and is indeed the subject of the discussion.

This thread was just about a belief system I have ,that helps me day to day. If it is fictional then so be it. But some believe in merlin and King Arthur, some believe in books.

Yes. And?

Some make there own religions. But saying your wrong to believe in a certain way is wrong.

A fair point. It shouldn't be about you. We can criticize the beliefs you hold about history as conflicting with records and archaeological finds of the civilizations in question at the time in question without saying anything about whether you are "wrong to believe" that way. You are free to believe any way you please as the rest of us is free to voice their disagreement with the contents of your beliefs. None of this does you any ill nor, I'm sure, is it intended to.

We all have free will and if you believe in something that harms no one then what harm can be from a there faith.

One could, for instance, write an article laying out one's beliefs and then find someone else a decade later read it and believe it as though it be real history. There is no magical filter that distinguishes between information and misinformation, alas, and one cannot effectively hinder the spread of the latter without at the same time obstructing the spread of the former. Faith is no such filter either.

Who has the right to mock that persons beliefs.

Everyone. Is mockery a nice thing to do? Debatable. Not "no". "Debatable". Does anyone have a right to do it? Yes, by most liberal standards everybody does.

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17 Apr 2019 12:53 #337308 by Rosalyn J
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Well, I have a difference of opinion in regards to mockery. People have the right to do the proper places.
TOTJO is a place of learning and exploration. We don't get very far if our idea of teaching is mockery.

Don't bother with mockers, Lenny. Pass over their posts as you would spam. That is how much value those posts have IF they stoop to mocking.

I may not agree with your beliefs, but even if I have the right to mock, I just look at the definition and realize that isn't how I want to spend my time. I'd rather ask questions to help you explore and come to your own realization for real teaching and learning.
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17 Apr 2019 14:04 #337311 by Raxicorico
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I would first of all like to thank you, Lenny, for sharing your beliefs with the community as a whole. It's proposed a number of fascinating ideas that will be great to contemplate upon. Part of what I feel this place should be is an open place where we may exchange our personal experiences and beliefs with others who have their own unique sets of beliefs. Let's face it, despite the fact that we classify ourselves as Jedi, I'm fairly certain no two people hold the exact same beliefs (refer to one of my early sermons "One Direction, Many Paths" if this point ever comes into question). No one is necessarily right, no one is necessarily wrong. This is where the idea of "belief" comes in, the basis for any system of religion or spirituality. Otherwise it is simply just fact.

Instead of criticizing and mocking (which there has already been waaaay too much of from what I've already read), we should be taking this new set of experiences with an open mind and building on our present way of thinking. In fact, I would encourage more people to create threads regarding their own personal experiences. We could probably create a whole forum based on that alone. Get those ideas out there in an open environment, build each other up instead of tearing each other down. To paraphrase Evelyn Beatrice Hall: I may not necessarily agree with what you believe, but I will defend to your end your right to believe it.

I suppose my first questions upon reading your narrative, Lenny, are: you've provided a narrative of the history of the Djedi from the 4th Dynasty of Ancient Egypt, the Narts, the Knights Templar, etc. What I haven't seen (and my apologies if you go over this in a post later that I missed): how does the Force relate to these various belief systems? As something that connects these different groups, separated in space and time, what is the Force according to your beliefs? How do you use this knowledge in your present-day life?
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17 Apr 2019 14:25 #337312 by Lenny C
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The force for me is an aid to my everyday life. I said my belief system is Djedi , as it is the closest to what I have done in my life.
When I was doing the magic I was thinking that the force was aiding me to progress and do more. So it’s kind of a weird circle, believing the force was aiding me to have a proper belief in the force at the end. For example the djedi would do alchemy and create a serpent going from the base of the spine upto the head. This is similar to myself doing magic to gain knowledge and a belief the force aided me. This in turn means I can use the force.
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17 Apr 2019 14:29 #337313 by Rosalyn J
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I once read a book that helped me understand the social purpose of religion called "Religion for Athiests" by Alain de Boton.

My question would be, what, if any, rituals, practices do you do regularly as part of your system?
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17 Apr 2019 14:33 #337314 by Lenny C
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I have not done anything what most would say magical rituals in about 2 years. But I do meditate once a week on what magic I did do to remind me of my past and where I am now. My destination.
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17 Apr 2019 14:39 - 17 Apr 2019 14:39 #337315 by Rosalyn J
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What specifically do you mean by magic? Or is it Magick?
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