Possible world wide revolution?

Confirmation bias is a bias by which the victim assigns unduly more weight to arguments and evidence in favour of their position than they do arguments and evidence that would or could disconfirm it. Almost everyone falls victim to it in one area or another, and it is wholly irrelevant to the diagnosis, whether the proposition in question accurately reflects anything or is realistic or not. It's neither merely nor necessarily any kind of believe-nonsense-disease, nor is it any sort of false argument one can construct. It's a bias. Clue's in the name.

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Uzima Moto wrote: .. but alas, Stockholm Syndrome is very real unfortunately. That's what that phenomenon looks like to me..

Confirmation bias is a real phenomenon as well.



@kobos

I was banned along with others for engaging in PMs. The yab thing was just included for good measure because I used the term nutjob. I dont consider it personal but council did. So be it. I did my time, no claim of victimhood as you assert. And since then, I have spoken in several threads very constructively. The sith thread for one. Yet you choose to ignore that and make a claim that I'm unfair in every thread because you have taken exception here in this one. If I've broken rules, by all means present your case. Beyond that all you are doing is calling me names and making absolute assertions not in evidence. You should take this to others that were banned as well and are still engaging in passive aggressive attacks in the complaint thread.

I give anyone every chance to discuss any issue. I'm sorry if most shy away and claim persecution. That is a tactic designed to sway the focus off the discussion so they can keep their bias in tact. Pretty similar to what you are doing here. I get it. It's hard to admit the beliefs you have had and used to justify your behaviour are wrong. You of all people should understand this.

Uhg.......(circles the are fun to run it but they don't get you anywhere)................I asked you a question and you are finding every way around it except the one thing that actually matters and that is to answer it. All of the "absolute" assertions I have made are based on that and solely on that. Who are the others making passive aggressive pot shots I will be happy to bring it up to them that they are. Perhaps, I am missing theirs due to confirmation bias or because of how I read what they are saying (yes some of the interactions in the Sith thread were really good, some not so much). Anyways do what it is you do I guess, when you do finally get around to asking yourself the question I asked you and really think about it and take it to heart. Maybe read everything I posted, admittedly I was being a dick (figured it might be the only way to get you to actually look at what I was presenting you), when you do look at it though, I'll be here to talk. Kudos on the hard shell, it is honestly too bad that it stops you from being the true you, you have a lot you could teach people, I see that in you but until you shed the Bull you carry with you, you are going to continue to find you get attacked by others. You are definitely a CHARACTER I'll give you that. Anyways, for what it's worth I will ask again, can you explain why you communicate the way you do? Can you explain why you are the character you are and not just you? Why is that not enough?

Much Love,
Kobos

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...I asked you a question and you are finding every way around it except the one thing that actually matters and that is to answer it.

You are making the mistake in thinking I actually give a damn.

Yes I am a character, but then again who are you pretending to be?

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That's all I want in this thread. I do appreciate the support though. I really do for calling out on Kyrin's methods and behavior. I mean Kyrin has clearly broken the rules already and has done it and will continue to do so and anyone else would have been banned eons ago.

This is really a thread for those that are into this stuff. Anyone who disagrees I don't wish to put down. I want to listen to information and contributions, not just naysaying and name calling

I do appreciate it everyone. Kyrin wished to derail the thread and it has. And this isn't about Kyrin but about the topic itself. I know we will all have disagreements. We just have to do it respectfully. We can't tear each other down or let others tear other people down because of a difference.

For the topic in hand, I always thought the best thing for the world would be the one thing that has never happened. Which is a world wide revolution. It doesn't even necessarily have to be a violent one at that.

Even if it's a totalitarian state. What is the one thing they cannot do? They cannot make you do anything.

They can torture or kill or destroy but they cannot make one do anything. Deliberate disobedience can work although sometimes it may depend on the subject and what is happening. Sometimes there is a time for a peace and sometimes one has to prepare themselves for conflict.

Remember when George H.W. Bush said this

"if the American people knew what we have done, they would string us up from the lamp posts"

Imagine that but the world, where many united nations leaders have been coerced, corrupted, bribed ect. to stay in power There is so much we really do not know what goes on behind closed doors and that concerns me when you have so many leaders that revel in secrecy.

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

Uzima Moto wrote: .. but alas, Stockholm Syndrome is very real unfortunately. That's what that phenomenon looks like to me..

Confirmation bias is a real phenomenon as well.

Yes, as you demonstrate quite well.

You're video didn't do their explanation any real justice. It explained how the impacted floors failed, but it's lacking anything as to how ALL the other floors failed almost sequentially, collapsing with next to no resistance. That's just looking objectively.. if anything, you picked a video that didn't service your point. At the worst it serves mine better. Establishment paid scientists come with a half cocked explanation for the official narrative? Sounds like another Warren Commission to me.

You still totality ignored the proof or information I've offered on this thread. At least it appears so. If that's the case then I wouldn't be the one guilty of bias..

However, Occam's Razor will rule on this issue. That much is true. The simplest explanation, given partially by historical precedent, is that the American public was, and is continuously being gas-lighted about 911..

Just men in caves caused the entire apparatus that was the NORAD strategic defense grid to fail inside and out? With absolutely no help from the inside? Now THAT'S a conspiracy theory.. like everything happened that day by mere coincidence.. but as a student of The Force, I've come not to believe in coincidences..

Especially, those of this magnitude..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UM3KbmfoG4

I know the video doesn't explain everything maybe there's something missing there too, but this does raise questions of what our leaders supposedly do. I am not at all surprised if they do in fact practice dark magic. Maybe that is how they are able to influence so many weak minded folks where politicians would do controversial stuff and end up staying in office.

Perhaps maybe not showing certain magic or acting like it is all fantasy yet they themselves practice it would give them an unfair advantage over those who do not practice any form of spirituality. It leaves them vulnerable.

Kind of reminds me of Palpatine on how he clouded everyone's vision and very few people knew he was actually a sith lord. There are real dark hardcore cults out who practice what jedi call here the dark side or some kind of malicious power. I know this kind of power exists because I have witnessed spiritual power, I have felt it as my time as a druid and know others who had practiced it who have knowledge of it. Why is the idea that clearly corrupt leaders, politicians, bankers ect, wouldn't practice such power if such power is in fact real? Anyone who practices spiritual stuff knows what I am talking about. In fact, I would expect leaders to practice such power because it gives them such a huge advantage over others.

I'm not gonna say they are like Voldemort and pretending that they can move entire mountains shoot huge infernos or anything like that. Magic is actually much more subtle then people realize. Again, who practices it knows what I am talking about.

Yabuturtle wrote: That's all I want in this thread. I do appreciate the support though. I really do for calling out on Kyrin's methods and behavior. I mean Kyrin has clearly broken the rules already and has done it and will continue to do so and anyone else would have been banned eons ago.

This is really a thread for those that are into this stuff. Anyone who disagrees I don't wish to put down. I want to listen to information and contributions, not just naysaying and name calling

I do appreciate it everyone. Kyrin wished to derail the thread and it has. And this isn't about Kyrin but about the topic itself. I know we will all have disagreements. We just have to do it respectfully. We can't tear each other down or let others tear other people down because of a difference.

For the topic in hand, I always thought the best thing for the world would be the one thing that has never happened. Which is a world wide revolution. It doesn't even necessarily have to be a violent one at that.

Even if it's a totalitarian state. What is the one thing they cannot do? They cannot make you do anything.

They can torture or kill or destroy but they cannot make one do anything. Deliberate disobedience can work although sometimes it may depend on the subject and what is happening. Sometimes there is a time for a peace and sometimes one has to prepare themselves for conflict.

Remember when George H.W. Bush said this

"if the American people knew what we have done, they would string us up from the lamp posts"

Imagine that but the world, where many united nations leaders have been coerced, corrupted, bribed ect. to stay in power There is so much we really do not know what goes on behind closed doors and that concerns me when you have so many leaders that revel in secrecy.

As a person who has served in duel Armed Forces - I can say without pretending or without questing - there are things left unsaid. There are things - each- government does we will never know and they will never divulge. I myself have done things along many other soldiers past present and future whose - sacrifice- is not limited to but includes one of moral and ethical choice or the release of said choice. Some return from war and never fully recover from the personal seriousness of things. War is never impersonal. Politics - same boat- the greater good - seems to be every one presents focus and yet only one wins. How ironic to me it is that in the beginning of elections - not only in the states but around the world - the platform for “how I can make a difference “ is pitched by all contenders and yet all these solutions and only one gets the opportunity. Why can we not use them all? Share with the solutions ? Nahhhh. Any how - world wide conspiracy or just a production of individual selfishness and individual gain seems to be more what I lean tword myself. I personally know of ten different ways to solve a lot of “population” problems but they all cost nothing - in fact no one will get rich off them and no one will get - votes or anything for that matter, no power and no recognition. This is key point why we can’t help any one now a days. If you don’t receive you don’t give. Some day - things will change - at least in my circle - I change my world one day at a time . I encourage others to do the same - watch the world and people do what they do- feel for them but - be the change you wanna see and some day - our circlesor those of others with the same ideas, may meet, making it just a bit more larger. May the Force be with y’all!

Yabuturtle wrote: I mean Kyrin has clearly broken the rules already...

Post number, please.

This is really a thread for those that are into this stuff. Anyone who disagrees I don't wish to put down.

No, you just subtly hint at them to cease participating in the thread unless they are also "into this stuff.

Kyrin wished to derail the thread and it has.

Well, that's not true either, is it? What happened is that on page 2 of this thread Heavenly Warrior chimed in, recommended a video to you, and then in a second post after that asked about the "Bronze Age collapse", what ever that was. With a tripple post of mostly buzz words on the top of page 3 and where Kyrin had previously just given a cheeky smirk at him right after the initial double post with the collapse that was really the beginning of the derailment, now she was full on making fun of him just the way she did with the last thread he had hijacked, also parodying general conspiracy theory rhetoric.

And this isn't about Kyrin but about the topic itself. I know we will all have disagreements. We just have to do it respectfully. We can't tear each other down or let others tear other people down because of a difference.

To make light of ridiculous ideas is not the same as to ridicule people who present them. Who exactly was torn down here, and when?

Imagine that but the world, where many united nations leaders have been coerced, corrupted, bribed ect. to stay in power There is so much we really do not know what goes on behind closed doors and that concerns me when you have no many leaders that revel in secrecy.

Agreed.

Actually it is very true. Because Kyrin has done it before. I know you don't agree with my ideas. You have done that on my other threads and made it pretty clear, so that is fine. I do not wish to put down anyone, and don't want any conflict as in aggressive or sarcastic remarks. I just want to stay on topic and be at peace.

Although while I believe this kind of revolution is needed, I think it would help people realize what is at stake either, perhaps there would be far less wars. Many but not all were false flags and that's very easy to start a war when you blow up your own stuff and start pointing fingers at others.

I know they have lots of hidden tech. If they work with alien, which I wouldn't be surprised due to roswell, area 51 among many other alien interactions and my own personal experiences, there is a lot of tech that would help us. Likely cures for diseases. If there are, they would never release it because you can't make money off of cured people.

The population is already very high. Which makes me think of the ways to help us survive on a species is terraforming. If the big wigs who have manipulated us into fighting wars, created diseases, crime ect just stopped, the population would rise even higher. And I always thought terraforming was very possible and would help us survive as a species even longer.

Who knows if they even have the secret to doing it, but whatever they have and what we would learn, it would at least give us a better understanding how it works especially if there was alien tech they were deliberately hiding from everyone. who can say? Maybe they do or not. I'm not surprised they have hidden technologies. What it may be, I don't know.

There are a number of groups and ideologies that seek global control. There are nationalists and there are technocrats, others occultic.. All seek power over the rest of us.. there can be NO DOUBT about this as there is entirely TOO MUCH evidence to support it.. but it's not as if they are special and their power absolute. WE give them power by participating in their control grid. Legally, physically, spiritually, etc..

It's full spectrum warfare..

And aside from people kind of admitting they want to run a new order, (although they don't give all the details) Some theorize they would destroy most of the population. Which makes sense. Because a few million or a little more is a lot easier to manage than billions of people. And look at all the ways they could do it. Disease, anthrax, aids, radiation, bombs ect. Look at them try to destroy the environment. Again this makes sense because when you ruin large areas of land, where do people go to? They huddle into the big cities, like they did with 1984. So it'd be harder for people to become more self sufficient which is something they do not want.

They don't want people to have critical thinking or independent people. They want slaves just smart enough to do the work but not smart enough to think outside the box and passively accept stupid rules that invade our privacy.

No one really explains why a totalitarian group trying to take over everything is ridiculous. Only that it can't happen because they say so. There's been a lot of empires that tried to take over the world, yet people who have control over your money, your food, your land ect. aren't trying to take over? Wouldn't you think the guys who run all of your money and own all of the important land and control food and water, the stuff you need to live on and put in tons of chemicals that make you stupid, crazy or give you diseases (which also helps Big Pharma) and don't give out cures to diseases they know work, because as we know a cured patient is a customer lost. You can't make too much money off of cured patient can you?

Wouldn't that be what YOU would do if you had billions and thought of a way to control people without using just force? Brainwashing billions with media, damaging your brain for critical thinking with foods that poison you ect. Because then you get a slave for years. Someone who believes they are free when they really aren't.

Yabuturtle wrote: And aside from people kind of admitting they want to run a new order, (although they don't give all the details) Some theorize they would destroy most of the population. Which makes sense. Because a few million or a little more is a lot easier to manage than billions of people. And look at all the ways they could do it. Disease, anthrax, aids, radiation, bombs ect.

Kind of admitting? Lol, what does that mean? Do they get drunk at parties and then get loose lips before realizing they have said too much and then whisper to others… “Oh my, I have said too much already!” Last time I looked up there were no bombs dropping from corporate bomber planes, no worldwide epidemics that are wiping out billions of people, no radiation contaminants killing off the masses. If these people are in such control what are they waiting for?

Yabuturtle wrote: … So it'd be harder for people to become more self sufficient which is something they do not want.

Is that why these people, that run these global businesses and banking systems, are advocating for less regulation? Less big government? Less social programs? They want to do away with social security and medicare and Obamacare and privatize all that stuff. How is that any sort of master plan to make the people more dependent on them?

Yabuturtle wrote: No one really explains why a totalitarian group trying to take over everything is ridiculous. Only that it can't happen because they say so.

On the contrary, I have explained it to you until I am literally bleeding from my fingertips even though it’s not my burden of proof. It is your burden of proof because you are making the claim. By trying to shift that burden you are committing a fallacy. No one has ever said that it cant happen, only that they dont believe your claim that it is happening. You need to prove otherwise. Citing past civilizations that have had it happen is irrelevant.

Uzima Moto wrote: There are a number of groups and ideologies that seek global control. There are nationalists and there are technocrats, others occultic.. All seek power over the rest of us.. there can be NO DOUBT about this as there is entirely TOO MUCH evidence to support it.. but it's not as if they are special and their power absolute. WE give them power by participating in their control grid. Legally, physically, spiritually, etc..

It's full spectrum warfare..

It is true that there are many groups involved. Some willingly work, others are being coerced or threatened to. When you are part of an elite with billions of dollar at your disposal, many are willing to make many connections. People who help them obtain them more money or just to do their dirty work.If people are willing to believe bankers and others with large sums of money who were corrupt started wars with countries back then and play both side so they will win no matter what, why is the idea impossible now when people believe it was possible in the middle ages?
I never got that

In fact it's even easier now with many weapons at their disposal, many ways to brainwash and many ways to weaken people and divide and conquer.

You see mr turtle, this is why you continue to fail to gain any ground when it comes to your position on your theories. You ask me for input and proof and I provide dialogue that you simply ignore. Then you continue on with the same vague rhetoric unencumbered.

Do you want to know why I dont take you seriously? Why no one takes you seriously outside of your own ilk? It's because you use the exact same tactics as any common charlatan to evoke a smoke screen of disinformation designed only to build yourself up and tear others down.

Your theories are no different than the predictions of a psychic mind reader. Both use the exact same tactics.

Keeping information vague, never naming names or specific groups. It might be the bankers or it might be the lizard men.

Using general statements that could apply to anything. They want to control the world, or maybe just a nation or maybe just the banks.

Appealing to peoples sense of fear. Well it's been attempted before so it must be being attempted now.

Cherry picking specific points to support your point but ignoring the bulk of actual evidence. Bush used the term new world order, but not providing the actual context of his statement to make him look like he said something he didnt actually say.

Making bold assertions over and over but when presented with actual tangable evidence, ignoring that evidence and presenting red herrings to deflect the focus. And then making those assertions again when the audience is distracted.

Your ideas are fradulant mr turtle and I have pointed that out over and over. I challenge you to either present detailed and specific evidence that people are capable of examining and possibly refuting or dropping this fear mongering.

Uzima Moto wrote: Why should anyone present any proof here?..

There's plenty if you just go look for yourself like everyone else has.. or were you expecting them to just come on MSNPC and present their crimes to the public on a platter? How does that even make sense?..

Personally, as someone who has looked into stuff like this for years of my own volition. I'm always surprised at how reluctant people are to look at this stuff. I probably shouldn't be though. People have been programmed to put the VERY REAL AND POSSIBLE 911 false-flag in the same category as the unfounded reptilian conspiracy. All some media-head grifter has to do is label it a "conspiracy theory" and everybody just throws it it without a second thought..

Operation Northwoods, a detailed declassification on how the Kennedy administration was presented with a Pentagon plan to use staged attacks to be blamed on Cuba as a pretext for war. DOCUMENTED.. but because "conspiracy theory" it's dead on arrival..

Look, to get started, I'll refer you to a video on YouTube called "How Big Oil Conquered the World". There's also "Why Big Oil Conquered the World" and "Century of Enslavement" by the Corbett Report. Who also likes to keep documents backing the claims on their site. If you want proof you'll find it if you look for yourself..

I've looked into law enough to know the SCOTUS will purposefully misinterpret the Constitution when it serves their agenda or assets their power..

If proof was offered here, then there would be no argument at all and that is much harder to get evidence which is abundant. I mean the best way to know is to look at history and connect the dots and put two and two together. United nations and all of these secret deals and all of those things illegal like cannabis are not done for our benefit. Whatever they are doing is ultimately their benefit. People don't even question the secretive meetings with the Bilderbergs. and why federal government deliberately try to make sure you don't use cures for diseases because "the FDA didn't approve it" which of course they won't because that cuts into their profits.

I am thinking some will just flat out refuse to believe it anyway because the idea of governments who have been betraying you for decades or centuries if people want to go back that far kind of scares them and it's more comforting to believe the government would never poison your air, would never keep cures secretive ect. I mean people don't even question those chem trails that fly around.

I actually think it's funny they will call them "truthers" as if wanting to know the truth is bad xD Truth is treason in an empire of lies after all. Don't question anything, don't research anything, just believe the fabricated stories we shove down your throat, eat the food that gives you cancer and do as your told.

The 'fog of war' is just a category of 'fogs of complexity'. It's all a matter of perspective (scope of penetrating view) and point of view (position relation) - and that everything beyond that which if afforded by those things is unknown. We rationalize the unknown by various means, but problems tend to emerge when we use those rationalizations to justify decisions into the known. Yes, those rationalizations are useful and perhaps required to operate in the unknown, but we gotta respect that the uncertainty of not knowing, more then likely directly relates to the rationalization process.... then the actual unknown reality. There is no need to be afraid of the dark just because we can imagine all sorts of hungry bizarre. But, it also doesn't mean it aint out there :silly:

So, since this is an unusual thread of strange-ness; I thought it was curious that Obama lifted sanctions on Iran at the same time a Yemen Civil War was kicking off. So perhaps look for 'proxy wars' if your thinking there is an evil war mongering upper class at play;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Saudi_Arabia_proxy_conflict

Yabuturtle wrote:

Uzima Moto wrote: If proof was offered here, then there would be no argument at all and that is much harder to get evidence which is abundant. I mean the best way to know is to look at history and connect the dots and put two and two together. United nations and all of these secret deals and all of those things illegal like cannabis are not done for our benefit. Whatever they are doing is ultimately their benefit. People don't even question the secretive meetings with the Bilderbergs. and why federal government deliberately try to make sure you don't use cures for diseases because "the FDA didn't approve it" which of course they won't because that cuts into their profits.

I am thinking some will just flat out refuse to believe it anyway because the idea of governments who have been betraying you for decades or centuries if people want to go back that far kind of scares them and it's more comforting to believe the government would never poison your air, would never keep cures secretive ect. I mean people don't even question those chem trails that fly around.

I actually think it's funny they will call them "truthers" as if wanting to know the truth is bad xD Truth is treason in an empire of lies after all. Don't question anything, don't research anything, just believe the fabricated stories we shove down your throat, eat the food that gives you cancer and do as your told.

If any proof was actually offered it would be refreshing. Let's examine what you say here.

First you say to look at history and connect the dots. First off this is nothing more than vague fear mongering. What history? What dots? How are they connected?

Who is actually in charge of this conspiracy to take over the world? The United nations? The bilderbergs? The federal Govt? The dark occult you mention? Who is it? No names are mentioned either. Seems like almost the entire world is in on it!

How are they controlling us? Well according to you apparently the United nations outlawed cannabis? One of the things that could actually be used to pacify us. The FDA denies us cures for their "profits". But wait, the United nations has nothing to do with cannabis law and the FDA is not a for profit organization. Oh and of course "govts" are using commercial aircraft to spray chemical poisons in the air. Not to mention that no commercial pilot anywhere has ever broken silence and revealed this secret but this is the very same air this secret organization also breathes, sort of self defeating isn't it?

And the poisoned food! My God the poisoned food... that no one ever gets sick or dies from. The humanity! It seems this poisoned food is designed to kill people in the same time span as a normal lifetime! How diabolical!!

Perhaps its a type of twilight language, where ambiguous concepts or vague associations are required to ensure ones own safety (or the security of the information etc), working by serving as labels rather then explanations, partially revealing information to the uninformed observer but representing something more for those 'read in' on the details. As such, not everyone might be the intended audience, and so stability among ambiguity is a skill in the resolute. Appearing like loose nonsense to the untrained eye, only attracting those who've got the time and interest to bother to process and engage, and therefore not vulnerable to 'critique' of the superficial representation or interpretation! Who can you trust if not even yourself, are we all d00med to wasting our own time more then anyone elses!!

Can anyone explain why something that was used as detergent is in cereals? And it was removed when it was shown to be harmful to the environment.

https://www.theingredientguru.com/2015/09/why-is-trisodium-phosphate-added-to-our-food/

You can look at a box for yourself.
Can anyone explain why there are airplanes spraying chemicals? And we can't say it's contrails because contrails don't linger for hours or spread out as shown here.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/169729479687326115/

Can anyone explain why so many countries have cannabis illegal when it is arguably the most useful plant?

Can anyone explain why drinking fluoride in water is a good idea? Or explain why the federal reserve is so secretive in how it handles money, or why the War On terror hasn't really ended?

To get answers, we need to ask questions, but hardly anyone either knows or just dismisses it.