The future of the Jedi order

OB1Shinobi wrote: well, when you make something "the official and only allowed religion, for and on the entire planet," it kind of sounds like something that could "evolve into persecution," doesnt it?

Well, what I had in mind was to be an alternative to the natural evolution of many religions vying for power. My suggestion was that IF one wishes to participate in religious activities, that it be done within some kind of boundary that prevents persecution.
The idea of Jediism being the only allowed religion must be taken in context of the Jediism that we are witnessing here right now. I feel free to practice my Christian beliefs here but I do not feel free to call atheist idiots for believing the way they do. That's intolerance and it is contrary to the doctrine of this order.

I made a suggestion as to the future of the Jedi order. If you disagree, feel free to offer an alternative.

CableSteele wrote:
I made a suggestion as to the future of the Jedi order. If you disagree, feel free to offer an alternative.

peace friend, my response was to the the rules of religion on mars lol

im not calling anyone out, only chiming in

though i hope to play some small role in it, "the future of the Jedi Order" is a bigger fish than i can fit in my fryer!

OB1Shinobi wrote: though i hope to play some small role in it, "the future of the Jedi Order" is a bigger fish than i can fit in my fryer!

That's how i feel about it too, but it's fun to postulate the possibilities.

Perhaps the main reason I like to think of Jediism as the religion of astronauts (lol), is that for me it includes ordering the disorders of the mind and body, so performance can be managed under stress/duress ie having strength and flexibility to deal with extremities. Not much more extreme then Space, or Mars etc.

But as a I mentioned in another thread just now about atheism, for me religion is only required when a belief needs to be artificially reinforced.... and being in Space or stuck on less then ideal planet should provide more then enough 'reinforcement' that 'proper conduct' in those environments would be entirely compatible with Jediism, ie to the belief in oneself and the principles of least selfish 'survival'. So I can see an argument there for it being a 'religion of Mars', but not in the traditional sense of dogma but rather in terms of operational necessity (or ideal). I just don't think people view things the way I do though, so I do not think it is likely to ever be the case nor imagine it would actually need to be seen so to be just as effective (as instead incorporated into professional codes of conduct and mandated protocols and procedures).

Is that the point of the thread though I dunno. For me the future of the Jedi Order will always remain in the future, unless plan's are made and progress effected to them. Things can move fast when things need to given the right conditions, but the focus here in the meantime should be to help each other and be better positioned to notice genuine opportunity, minimize waste once taken, and have the resources (inner and outer) to see it through.

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:

CableSteele wrote: Did you have to abandon your pagan beliefs to be a member of this "Jedi" temple? What about to become an apprentice? Do you not consider yourself Jedi?

Is there anything in our doctrine that could evolve into persecution of non-Jedi? I don't see anything. It seems to me that, as religious beliefs go, the Jedi Way is pretty sterile. There is no penalty for rejecting Jedi beliefs.
China's cultural revolution showed us what happens when atheist crusaders try to forcibly stomp out religion. Rather than have a similar thing happen with the future colonization of Mars, we should allow free expression of religion, but within some kind of boundary. Jedi teachings and maxims could provide a framework for the freedom of religion without the possibility for persecution. It's not required, but if one wishes to practice a religion (or just wants to join a fun club) they must do so with the core understanding that all people are entitled to their own beliefs. No more violent jihad, no more crusades, and no more "cultural revolutions."

Side note: Maybe we should wait and see if Mars will actually be colonized before we take this too seriously

No I don't consider myself Jedi (whatever that term even means), at least not as this temple strictly defines it in its doctrine. That's the very definition of Syncraticism. You may read my initiate journal for details on that. If we are to make Jediism a "State" religion but there is no penalty for rejecting Jedi beliefs then why have it as a State religion in the first place? What if my beliefs come into opposition to your beliefs? What if I come to be an atheist and work peacefully towards the eradication of all religion through education or whatever other means I deem fit? What then? That would seem to go against the State sponsored religion and it seems that the very nature of that would lead to persecution. Culture is a funny thing. Just because you think your cultural and spiritual beliefs are what everyone should follow as a basis for their spirituality does not mean everyone will just lay down and agree with you.

You are rigth, no religion should be followed by force, everyone have their own belives. Jediism to me is more tha a religion, is a way of life, a path to inner peace. Jedi are guardians of peace, they respect all life forms, they help people, they protect others and put others needs before themselves, this what i want jediism to become and to my life.

We are together (and you are individually) the future of the Temple.

No buildings or real estate needed.

Jediism live each day in the choices we make. Let's make them the best we can.

maybe have our say represented in parliament and the senate like, the Jedi party, or the Jedi Senator from Vermont e.t.c

Silas Mercury wrote: maybe have our say represented in parliament and the senate like, the Jedi party, or the Jedi Senator from Vermont e.t.c

hmmmm....

The Doctrine wrote: Jedi believe in the separation of religion and government

Jedi Senator? :huh:

Silas Mercury wrote: maybe have our say represented in parliament and the senate like, the Jedi party, or the Jedi Senator from Vermont e.t.c

Step One: Actually become apart of the Jedi Community (not just this temple) and really learn what it is to be a Jedi

Step Two: Make yourself known as a leader of said community

Step Three: Go to Collage and take the appropriate steps to sit in Parliament

Step Four: Create your own Jedi Group to represent it (And make your intentions Clear because I do not want to be apart of that group.....)

Step Five: Do it. Don't Preach it.

Step Six: Good luck!!!

Your dreams is your's and I fully support you persueing your dream.

Not for me though....I'll stick with Just Jedi and my random community wondering.....I am a mom and got two kids and thirty one years old....I don't have time or interest in lofty things