The future of the Jedi order

i agree with the idea that we "make it real" by being it in our daily lives

i think a physical temple would be a great idea if it could be done just right, but i saw quickly that many of the long standing members here are opposed to it so i dont bring it up, or get too caught up in talking about it when others bring it up, or even think about it that much, really

i enjoy the "what would the perfect temple look like?" topics because its a cool idea, but overall, this is not a boat that needs to be rocked imo

OB1Shinobi wrote: i think a physical temple would be a great idea if it could be done just right, but i saw quickly that many of the long standing members here are opposed to it so i dont bring it up, or get too caught up in talking about it when others bring it up, or even think about it that much, really

It's not that I don't think a physical temple would be cool, I just feel like there are so many other things that I can devote my time, energy, and money to that address more realistic and pressing concerns.

CableSteele wrote: I take it seriously. In fact, I would take it a step further. I want to see the Jedi become the official religious figures of Mars. We will colonise Mars one day and if the Jedi religion is established as the only allowable religion, then people will be free to practice their own religious beliefs as long as it's within the bounds of the peace and tolerance of the Jedi religion.
I would rather see Jediism as opposed to atheism as the official religion anyway. And forget about any religion that even hints at shunning the non believers. There are no infidels in Jediism and that's fine with me.

Plus, the Jedi mythology is way more entertaining than any of the others. Well, Hinduism is a close second.

Whaaaaa...???
Although this may be going off topic and might be best suited for a different thread, this seems scary.
You say there are no infidels and yet your previous statements clearly define Jedi Infidels.

OB1Shinobi wrote: i agree with the idea that we "make it real" by being it in our daily lives

i think a physical temple would be a great idea if it could be done just right, but i saw quickly that many of the long standing members here are opposed to it so i dont bring it up, or get too caught up in talking about it when others bring it up, or even think about it that much, really

i enjoy the "what would the perfect temple look like?" topics because its a cool idea, but overall, this is not a boat that needs to be rocked imo

lol, we just want to make sure the enthusiasm dont get out of hand...

Every person here likes the idea of a physical location, lol...

What happens, the pattern I see, is that it ges brought up, and it builds enough momentum, that people start looking at the COuncil and Knights like "you need to get a building for us" like it is our responsibility...

I wont launch into all the discussions, suffice to say, right now, there is no means for TOTJO to have a physical presence, short of our 'corporate office' which is Br. John's home...

But, we have much work to do before we get there...

Back on topic, lol, if anyone wants to discuss a physical temple, please use the appropriate thread...

The great thing about the Jedi path, is that it isn't dependent on "going to church every Sunday". The main point of following the Jedi paths to adopt a lifestyle and worldview that through application can make the world a better and more enriched place. TOTJO is great at providing resources to aspiring Jedi who are not yet aware of what following that particular path entails, however it isn't the elite authority on the subject, nor is it the governing body for practitioners of the faith.

To be a Jedi is not dependent on being a member of the TOTJO.

As a Jedi, there is no need for us to proselytize nonbelievers or members of other faiths, because there is no clause in our doctrine to "spread the good word" or "preach the gospel". We worship no gods, disagree on what our own version of the afterlife will be like, and even go as far as to debate the very foundation of our doctrine.

As such, I don't see what need there is to become an "official" religion, save for benefits granted under the law for religious protection. Our way of life and interactions with one another are not regulated based on our legal standing, nor are we afforded any less privilege from not having a physical location or respected status.

As far as it concerns the future, things come and go. All things come and go, everything, without exception. Some things last for a really long time, from centuries to over a millennia. Eventually however, they fade and are replace by something newer and more relevant to the way of life in those times. TOTJO will have it's own lifespan, and it too will eventually one day fade and be replaced by something new. Having a physical location won't change that, in all actuality it may actually expedite it.

Nothing is ever ideal, there is always something that stands to be improved or changed. It is a mark of maturity to understand that sometimes however, things are the best they can realistically get. If we go and start building temples, history indicates we will have greater rifts within the organization that will eventually cause additional branches of Jedi to form with their own specialized belief system. Eventually, we will be a mirror of every other world religion with its own sects, extremists, monastics, conservatives, and liberals. This is one of the things that Jedi and the TOTJO seek to avoid.

I am a huge advocate of action as many on here who know me will tell you. I like to push people to follow through with their dreams and ideals, but I will say that there is a right time and a wrong time to do everything. With the current member base that TOTJO has and it's current state of finances, the focus right now really should be on strengthening community interactions and the existing foundation which it sits upon.

CableSteele wrote: I take it seriously. In fact, I would take it a step further. I want to see the Jedi become the official religious figures of Mars. We will colonise Mars one day and if the Jedi religion is established as the only allowable religion, then people will be free to practice their own religious beliefs as long as it's within the bounds of the peace and tolerance of the Jedi religion.
I would rather see Jediism as opposed to atheism as the official religion anyway. And forget about any religion that even hints at shunning the non believers. There are no infidels in Jediism and that's fine with me.

1. I vote the colonies go naked and wear clown noses as our official religion, as it makes as much sense as having one in the first place.

2. Your "do-what-you-want-as-long-as-its-what-we-want" isn't anything like freedom.

3. Your "don't-shun-the-nonbelievers-atheists-gtfo" is so ironic and bent, I'm having trouble even making sense of it at the moment.

4. If you want peace and tolerance, learn some yourself.

Snowy Aftermath wrote: 2. Your "don't-shun-the-nonbelievers-atheists-gtfo" is so ironic and bent, I'm having trouble even making sense of it at the moment.

3. If you want peace and tolerance, learn some yourself.

Play nice Snowy :laugh: I'm sure Cable didn't mean to offend

Brick wrote:

Snowy Aftermath wrote: 2. Your "don't-shun-the-nonbelievers-atheists-gtfo" is so ironic and bent, I'm having trouble even making sense of it at the moment.

3. If you want peace and tolerance, learn some yourself.

Play nice Snowy :laugh: I'm sure Cable didn't mean to offend

I edited what I wrote since what you've copied here.

And I'm tired of atheists being everyone's devils.

Snowy Aftermath wrote:

Brick wrote:

Snowy Aftermath wrote: 2. Your "don't-shun-the-nonbelievers-atheists-gtfo" is so ironic and bent, I'm having trouble even making sense of it at the moment.

3. If you want peace and tolerance, learn some yourself.

Play nice Snowy :laugh: I'm sure Cable didn't mean to offend

I edited what I wrote since what you've copied here.

And I'm tired of atheists being everyone's devils.

Patience brother, we are all jedi or training to become one, dont let the hate and anger dominate you heart..

Snowy Aftermath wrote:

Brick wrote:

Snowy Aftermath wrote: 2. Your "don't-shun-the-nonbelievers-atheists-gtfo" is so ironic and bent, I'm having trouble even making sense of it at the moment.

3. If you want peace and tolerance, learn some yourself.

Play nice Snowy :laugh: I'm sure Cable didn't mean to offend

I edited what I wrote since what you've copied here.

And I'm tired of atheists being everyone's devils.

Excellent point Snowy , i concurr , the best freedom is the freedom of and FROM religion , thanks for the reminder , we should never ever , ever put our beliefs on someone else , the best way to be a Jedi is to LIVE like a Jedi , even if you are the only one in your surroundings , but we can never let our way of life be the directory for other people even if we love being Jedi