Misogynism

Veltra wrote:

Abhaya Budhil wrote: Most western cultures are still oppressive to women and feminine men, but we fool ourselves into thinking we've eradicated sexism, which allows us to continue on in the way we have been. How am I not educating the ignorant? I post opinions backed up by facts. I post facts backed up by personal experience. Others argue back because they don't agree. Do I just stop there? When you are trying to talk to people who don't agree with you, it easily becomes an argument. That doesn't make it bad or wrong. It's just a style of communication.

I don't believe we fool ourselves to think that sexism does not exist. But that we accept that it does. If you watch tv shows it is so obviously there yet we don't complain. Sexism will always exists wherever and whenever we just have to accept it and move on.

feminism is sexist in its very name. If their goal really is to end sexism they'd have to self-destruct




***woohoo 24 pages***

(Love your signature quote, Veltra)

Is this our culture? Should we be proud of our culture? What about our roles in our culture? Are these flaws something that solidifies us? How can we relate to each other without a common base?

Right? This should be the 'party page' cuz brenna posted this number as an exaggeration at first, but here we are.

Also, eleanor roosevelt said that 'no one can make you feel inferior without your consent.'

The two things are unrelated, just glad to post on the 24th page.

This has hardly been one singular debate in all honesty.

May the Force be with you,
Rai

[quote="ren" post=119435feminism is sexist in its very name. If their goal really is to end sexism they'd have to self-destruct[/quote]

That is the idea It formed because of a need, but no one is argueing against it staying beyond that.... its just some men fear it will and make a lot of noise,

Adder wrote: its just some men fear it will and make a lot of noise,

The reason men fear it is that it no longer what it was, and has become the biggest concentration of misandrist shouting on the planet.

Kohadre, I already stated facts and listed a few of my sources.

Veltra, I can't get behind just sitting back and accepting an oppressive society. Jedi believe in a society that does not discriminate based on gender. So how can Jedi also sit back and accept a society that does exactly that?

Ren, feminism is not sexist in the very name. Feminism is about breaking down the idea that women must be feminine and men must be masculine and the idea that femininity is inherently weaker and less desirable. It focuses on femininity because it is what is undesirable in our society today. It focuses on women because women are oppressed in more ways than men, but it doesn't try to hold men back. It is comfortable benefitting men as well as women.

Steamboat, once again you're basing your view of feminism on the radicals in the group. And I've already said those radicals are largely not accepted in the mainstream feminist community.

Honestly, I'm just repeating myself at this point. I have already said all of this before, others on this thread have said all of this before. But for some reason the rest of you continue to base your arguments on a false view of feminism that I have already explained is not representative of true feminism.

Abhaya Budhil wrote: It focuses on femininity because it is what is undesirable in our society today.

Yes, because that's precisely why masculinity is completely frowned upon in the same society.

It focuses on women because women are oppressed in more ways than men, but it doesn't try to hold men back.

It focuses on women because it's feminism. It is inherently gynocentric.

you're basing your view of feminism on the radicals in the group. And I've already said those radicals are largely not accepted in the mainstream feminist community.

If that's the case, then feminists should probably do a better job policing their own, because every group will always be judged by its most radical member. Always.

Honestly, I'm just repeating myself at this point.

As are we. True feminism would be an honest equality, and not a reversal of the oppression. There is not currently extant in any visible form in the media "true feminism" by this definition. We have all stated our cases, we have all played "facts" face-up on the table, and we are going around in circles.

We hit 24 pages. Can we lock this thread yet?

Masculinity is not frowned upon. Masculinity is seen as a valid option for women who want to assert their independence, but femininity is not seen as a valid option for men who want to assert their independence. Masculinity is somehow androgynous or unisex, but femininity is for women.

It focuses on women because discrimination against women in media, politics, employment, etc. is documented. Men do not face these widespread issues.

Yes, because it's so much more productive for feminists to spend all their energy on trying to police people they don't want in their movement in the first place than it is for them to hope when they say, "They do not represent feminism," people will actually listen so they can focus their energy on achieving a breakdown of the gender binary, a new society of gender equality for everyone, and the dissolution of feminism when it is no longer needed. Since you know that people are judged by their radical members, you should also know that you can look past those members to find the majority of the group that actually represents the ideas of that group.

Feminism is not a reversal of the oppression. Since when is the media really a good representation of anything? It is sensationalized for consumers. It focuses on stories people like to watch even when they aren't very true. It doesn't even show an accurate representation of demographics in the general population. If you get all of your information from mainstream media without trying to search for true answers and other views you won't be getting a very accurate view of anything.