Prostitution

meganrtaylor wrote: So many things are wrong with this statement. It is a surface observation of a horrible world wide issue. There are thousands of children and young girls and boys all over the world that are taken from their homes and forced it prostitution.

So freaking true!

You cannot be a victim unless you allow yourself to be a victim.

Brenna, but until you are put in a position where your life or the lives of your family are threatened unless you sell you body than I don't believe that is an accurate statement.

Being a victim (in the common sense of the term) is a state of mind. What I mean is that one can be victimized by an aggressor; but, once someone gets in the mindset of being a victim, that is their choice.

That still doesn’t read the way I mean it to. Okay, when something has happened to you, you were “victimized” at that time. That does not mean you are still a victim… it’s not still happening. You “were”, not “are.” Once whatever has happened, people tend to get stuck in the mindset and never move on. Sure, they take some kind of defense class or buy a dog, but those are choices made because of an event out of their control. I don’t want to derail the thread, so I will stop with that.

Ren… again, you are way out in left field! :huh:

From an economic standpoint if there were no demand for the services provided by prostitution, the industry would have a hard time staying in business.

From a “reality” point of view; the entire industry stems from a group of people that view sex differently then another group. To me, prostitution is not good for people. It degrades women and teaches men to view them as objects and not people. It lessens the value of sex with an intimate partner. And it promotes the instant gratification of our lesser base instincts.

I also think that if tobacco companies can’t advertise on TV, then neither should fast food restaurants. And the reason… Tobacco Company’s advertisement is restricted because of the effects cigarettes have on people and the government feels it needs to protect us from ourselves. Have any of you looked outside? When you drive by a McDonalds… those are not skinny, healthy people! I bet that if we looked into it, more people are dying from diseases that stem from being overweight or poor nutrition.
Just sayin…

The real problem is that people want to be gratified, they want it now, they lack control; and, when something happens they want to blame someone or something else. In short, the people of almost every society have never grown out of childhood mentalities.

It is. our recent medical advances aren't going to undo the million-year work of evolution. Just because it's very easy for us now to reproduce, and having three kids means the population is growing, doesn't mean it was always like that. The desire to reproduce is there because those who didn't have it simply didn't have as much offspring, if any. Similarly women get their current behaviour from those times as well. A pregnancy in the UK is good news financially for a woman, unless she lives with the father. Naturally, it's the opposite, and that worry still exists.

I am not disagreeing with that at all. There was a time when having a large family meant the success of the family and way of life. But that is not necessarily true now. There was a time when if someone insulted your honor you were expected to go out and dual with them. And now we would be arrested for it.

…A pregnancy in the UK is good news financially for a woman…

Social services in the US cause the same behavior here, but I wouldn’t think that it is the norm.

Time and survival has helped to mold us into what we currently are. If we choose to remain that way is really up to us.

Adder wrote: A want does not make a need.

Umm, not to argue, but sexual desire is completely natural and responsible for the continuing existence of humanity.

I would call that a NEED.

I was talking about physiological evolution, not social evolution. This is neuroscience territory. If men's libido were just a "learned habit", I wouldn't claim prostitution is abusive to men.

From an economic standpoint if there were no demand for the services provided by prostitution, the industry would have a hard time staying in business.

Which is exactly what I'm saying? There is more demand than supply, therefore there's an opportunity to capitalize. It's capitalizing on what I consider to be my one major weakness. capitalizing on people's weakness is abuse. I look at my life, and I know: I'm overweight and I really can't be bothered to date/flirt because I've grown to a point where i find the process more humiliating than prostitution. If I didn't have my missus I'd probably go to the prosies. I've been rich an experienced the side-effects: let's just say it's not looking good for the girls.

Let's look at this a this way. We call charging directly for services rendered prostitution. But what about the indirect charge? As I said I know for a fact that being rich gets you "places". Why not look at the sugar daddy? Did you know they have sugar daddy/baby meeting websites? and which side is the most numerous do you think?
What about all these russian/thai bride websites? Russian/Thai men are not good looking enough? Or is it that they don't have as much cash? Or perhaps they're all on russian/thai groom sites? (had to put this down for the lolz)

Sexual desire is just that, desire. The propagation of the species is a need; for the species. (Which we are in NO danger of extinction due to lack of reproducing at current time)

Having a good, strong libido is healthy for anyone. Running around having sex with everything that moves, probably not so good. Restraint and self control are some of the things that place us among the higher echelon of animals.

Speaking of the survival of the species, by that line of thought… should we go out and”thin” the population? I mean, the planet will only support so many! Our desire to want more means that there is only going to be so much to go around… perhaps we should go out and eliminate some of the “competition?” Then, there would be more for those with healthy, well evolved libidos.

If it’s good enough for the animals, shouldn’t it be good enough for us?

I know, that was very protagonistic… But we seem to be focusing the premise of the argument on past and not current or possible future.

Actually I'm pretty sure there are mail order husband sites and sugar mama's. Men are just as opportunistic as women...it's just men and women are looking for different things.

Also, why is this topic sounding like some of you guys are saying sex is vital for survival. It's abuse because men must have it and women are expected to give it? You have hands don't you?

I mean, how many people out there have lived healthy and satisfying lives without sex? I'd say more than few.

And if we're talking about unfairness, in the US Viagra is covered by insurance but not birth control. Pretty stupid. Let's encourage men to have sex long past nature intended and not encourage safe sex. We, as a species, place too much importance on sex.

ren wrote: Which is exactly what I'm saying? There is more demand than supply, therefore there's an opportunity to capitalize. It's capitalizing on what I consider to be my one major weakness. capitalizing on people's weakness is abuse.
What about all these russian/thai bride websites? Russian/Thai men are not good looking enough? Or is it that they don't have as much cash? Or perhaps they're all on russian/thai groom sites? (had to put this down for the lolz)

Nothing wrong with acknowledging there might be things about yourself you aren’t “happy” with. But should we “go around” those things or work to improve them?

The foreigner bride sites… I’m not sure about those. I know people that have married others that they met in other countries. One of my oldest friends is married to a lady from the Ukraine. They have three children and seem very happy together. I know that he dated lots of women in the past and never had “good” relationships with them. I never asked how they met though. They both seem very happy and very in love. So I don’t have any problem with it.

I do not believe that the ends justify the means, and I know that good things can be made into something evil. I also know that good things can come from things that were made with “evil” intentions.

Life can be funny sometimes.

Wendaline wrote: You have hands don't you?

I mean, how many people out there have lived healthy and satisfying lives without sex? I'd say more than few.

Lord knows I’ve ruined a few socks in my day! Hahhahahahha :woohoo:

Streen wrote:

Adder wrote: A want does not make a need.

Umm, not to argue, but sexual desire is completely natural and responsible for the continuing existence of humanity.

I would call that a NEED.

Clients do not usually procreate with prostitutes to continue humanity. If the topic is male sexuality and not procreation, then I'd wager most male sexual activity has nothing to do with continuing the existence of humanity either.

a crime against natural law

It's perfectly natural. Isn't prostitution the oldest profession and how is it different from a women using her charms to marry a wealthy man or get material gains, gifts, promotions, favors for exchanges of sex, sex for security and peace of mind?

It's natural, sex has always been exchanged for something. In this case everyone is hung up because currency $ is exchanged for sex.

The is an old joke floating around that is something like this: "Will you slepp with me for $100. No, what do you think I am? Will you sleep with me for $10,000,000. Yes of course. I know what you are, now we have to haggle the price."

Leagalize it, tax it, it's good for the economy.