Prostitution

Wescli Wardest wrote:
I will say that for women, if they have the desire to have sex, there is always some guy that will be more than happy to oblige her. May not be her first choice, but she is not going to have to “try.” Most guys do not have that luxury or at least not to that extent.

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Women do have to try very hard to find men that want to have sex with them. Women that are seen as beautiful might not have as hard of a time, but anyone who does not fit the standard of beauty has a hard time, no matter what gender they are.

And my answer is no. The “desire” that women have the thing that makes men desirable to women is put there for a reason. And that reason is to propagate the species. And here is a good place to start looking for that answer.

How does that make prostitution natural ?

Actually that's not correct. Ducks get raped...the female duck pairs off with a strong male to keep all the other male ducks from raping and most likely killing her. Watch them sometimes. They'll drown the female just to fix their urges...many of the times it ends up being a gang rape type of thing. And I'm pretty darn sure that the female duck DOES NOT want that kind of behavior. Being abused is never something they just accept, they run and try to get away until the very end. It's a horrible thing to watch.

I live right next to the canal and happen to have duck and swan nests right in front of my house. I've never seen anything like it. But a quick search seems to support what you say. That makes rape a natural thing then, but prostitution ?

I am not saying that women don't have to try for men to find them attractive. I'm not saying they don't put a lot of effort into it either. I have a daughter and watch her when she wants to look pretty. I also watch all the little boys...

Rather she is having a "lazy day" and looks (like what she would call crap) or has put a ton of effort into her apperance, the boys stare and drool!

What I am saying is that most women have higher standards than most men.

Or at least their standards are different!

You have a ggod sense of morality and I commend you for standing your ground on what you believe in. But don't take my lack emotional responce as a sign that I don't care. I do! And I find the way most men treat women highly unfavorable. And unlike most guys, I don't set back and just talk about it... I have taken it to action on many occasions.

But, I also reconize that emotional outburst do not persuade, rather they "dissuade", opposition from your point of view.

Wescli Wardest wrote:

I put it to you that prostitution is therefore the oppression of men and a crime against natural law.

And my answer is no. The “desire” that women have the thing that makes men desirable to women is put there for a reason. And that reason is to propagate the species.

How does that make prostitution natural ?

I was confused and had to look back at what you were getting at….
I am not saying that prostitution is natural. I am saying that the reason women are attracted to particular people is, and there is a reason for it that is perfectly natural. The way I read your question is…
Prostitution is a crime against natural law because it oppresses men.

Which I don’t think it does.

token five cents- it should be legalized and regulated, as in other parts of the world (thinking of the red light district in amsterdam, or kings cross in sydney).

But a quick search seems to support what you say. That makes rape a natural thing then, but prostitution?

Isn't exchanging sex for: food, protection, and acceptence the same as taking money?


I've seen the duck thing in my back yard pool. It is brutal.

There's other ways you can live safely. people choose prostitution (except in those human trafficking cases).

Besides, I'm not sure that having less sex in order to.... have less sex? constitutes prostitution for those ducks.

megamind wrote: I find it far cheaper to sleep with legal prostitutes than to have a girlfriend. I don't have to support someone else, I don't have to fight with or be manipulated by someone else, I don't have to worry about them cheating and bringing home gonorrhea, or getting pregnant and having a child without my approval. To me being in a relationship throws my life into emotional, financial, and psychological chaos, having to deal with some else's issues non-stop, to support them financially, emotionally, having to worry about being manipulated, having a child I do not want, getting stds when they cheat and lie about cheating, having to worry about theft, and drama. I just can't afford the price required to maintain a relationship, financially, emotionally, psychologically, etc. Legal prostitution has greatly improved my quality of life, and I am sincerely thankful for it.

Honestly, I dont think that "the price required to maintain a relationship" is the issue here.



Without wanting to derail the topic too much, I feel I need to point something out here. The concept of prostitution as abuse because men need to pay for something they "need" because they are denied it brings up a deeper issue. A persons body belongs to them alone. Whatever "price" be it emotional or financial, required by someone to allow another person the most intimate knowledge of their physical body (and for many women their emotional environment too) is entirely their perogative. You dont like it, dont pay. Find someone else whos "price" is lower. There is always a price, whether its $150 an hour, time and effort in a relationship, a round of drinks or 10 minutes of attention.

The idea that men are abused by this, brings up the idea that womens bodies should be freely available to men. That their bodies and sexual behaviour should somehow be within mens control. Frankly, you want to go on the ride, you pay the ticket price.

If you want a sex object designed specific to your sexual needs that need not concern yourself over beyond them I suggest buying a real doll.

It may not be the overall issue in this thread, but it is a huge issue to me. I prefer to pay with money rather than my soul and my sanity. I never tried to say that men are victims are being abused in any way. I am more than happy to pay money for sex as long as the sex is good. The same goes for good food, massages, wine, other substances, video games, or anything that brings me happiness and pleasure. Sex is a commodity, and one way or the other payment is required to obtain it. Women do not owe men free sex, just as men do not owe women financial, emotional, and psychological support.

Brenna wrote:

megamind wrote: I find it far cheaper to sleep with legal prostitutes than to have a girlfriend. I don't have to support someone else, I don't have to fight with or be manipulated by someone else, I don't have to worry about them cheating and bringing home gonorrhea, or getting pregnant and having a child without my approval. To me being in a relationship throws my life into emotional, financial, and psychological chaos, having to deal with some else's issues non-stop, to support them financially, emotionally, having to worry about being manipulated, having a child I do not want, getting stds when they cheat and lie about cheating, having to worry about theft, and drama. I just can't afford the price required to maintain a relationship, financially, emotionally, psychologically, etc. Legal prostitution has greatly improved my quality of life, and I am sincerely thankful for it.

Honestly, I dont think that "the price required to maintain a relationship" is the issue here.



Without wanting to derail the topic too much, I feel I need to point something out here. The concept of prostitution as abuse because men need to pay for something they "need" because they are denied it brings up a deeper issue. A persons body belongs to them alone. Whatever "price" be it emotional or financial, required by someone to allow another person the most intimate knowledge of their physical body (and for many women their emotional environment too) is entirely their perogative. You dont like it, dont pay. Find someone else whos "price" is lower. There is always a price, whether its $150 an hour, time and effort in a relationship, a round of drinks or 10 minutes of attention.

The idea that men are abused by this, brings up the idea that womens bodies should be freely available to men. That their bodies and sexual behaviour should somehow be within mens control. Frankly, you want to go on the ride, you pay the ticket price.