The American gun Laws.....can it remain as it is?

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22 Dec 2012 19:01 #85080 by RyuJin
Full auto = hold the trigger and spray...not needed by civvies...in my opinion not efficient for military either
Burst auto = hold trigger for 3.round burst then release and press again...not needed by civvies or skilled marksman...useful for suppressing fire in military more efficient in ammo cost
Semi auto = 1 round spent per trigger pull useful to civvies and military...high efficiency ammo cost...this is the type that was used in nearly all recent shootings and is the type that most firearms fall under
Single shot bolt action = 1 round spent per trigger pull...slowest reload time...most efficient ammo cost in the hands of a skilled shooter...also hardest to defend yourself with against numerous targets should you miss...

Just did that because it seems some get confused over the rate of fire with semi autos...some seem to think it as fast as full auto (aka rock 'n roll)...

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22 Dec 2012 21:42 #85093 by
A little change of course. Isn't every adult Swis citizen required own, train with and maintain a military style rifle? How much gun crime do the have?

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23 Dec 2012 04:07 #85118 by
Well said, Phortis Nespin. And I didn't know that, Rickie, that's pretty neat. They're a civilian army?

And, Ren, that's awesome that you love your country and feel safe in it. That's what matters, right? I also love and feel safe in my country (guns included of course). And I know a great many who agree. It's insane how much gun sales went up after Obama started his speeches against them.

Mexico also has a very strict gun control...but drug dealers and criminal minds seem to get a hold of them easy peasy.

I know it's a power issue for the government, but do those who also want guns to be illegal, do they just do it to have control too? Why on earth do you want to control someone like that? I don't like it so you can't have it. What a crazy selfish view.

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23 Dec 2012 05:16 #85119 by ren

And, Ren, that's awesome that you love your country and feel safe in it. That's what matters, right? I also love and feel safe in my country (guns included of course).


... Except it isn't my country.

Mexico also has a very strict gun control...but drug dealers and criminal minds seem to get a hold of them easy peasy.

Yes. I heard most are acquired in the US?

Isn't every adult Swis citizen required own, train with and maintain a military style rifle?

It's male swiss citizens. They can do military service, civil service, pay higher taxes, or be medically exempt. Either way, their weapon is issued by the military of which they are a member of. This puts them at a financial disadvantage compared to women and foreigners as they have to clock army time, which employers do not like, or pay higher taxes. Not quite the same thing as the US. I don't think Obama + friends are saying the national guard should be disarmed.

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23 Dec 2012 07:39 #85125 by
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It was very sad to hear and it will make things worse if they start putting armed guards at that school just because of this.

I agree that the laws have to change but not in the way most would think. What I mean is that no amount of law making has ever stopped the desired
behavior behavior it was launched to control. No matter how bad the punishment (and it is a punishment not a consequence) is, people continue to brake laws. If you out law guns people will start using knifes. You cant stop people from being people.

Laws need to be changed but not by remaking or adding new ones but by making less of them. Or making laws that dont punish people for doing things we've always expected them to do. Laws that dont prevent things from happening but allow good things to happen. Laws that aren't made to find out whos guilty but who's innocent.

I dont think anything should be done to the gun laws because that would just be controlling the effect not fixing the cause. The cause is this person that felt there was no other way out than to do what was done. Prevent that from happening or give people an alternative to massacre.

One last thought. There is no good and evil(at least not as most perceive it) on this planet just life forms lots and lots of different life forms.

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23 Dec 2012 08:54 #85131 by Whyte Horse
I'm going to have to throw something in the mix here. I've been a teacher in a school where we had a psychopathic spectrum teen-ager. Punishment doesn't work because they can't learn from their mistakes and they feel no remorse or pain.

I don't have all the answers but I do know it takes more than a little parenting to turn a psychopath around.

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23 Dec 2012 10:33 #85135 by

Whyte Horse wrote: I'm going to have to throw something in the mix here. I've been a teacher in a school where we had a psychopathic spectrum teen-ager. Punishment doesn't work because they can't learn from their mistakes and they feel no remorse or pain.

I don't have all the answers but I do know it takes more than a little parenting to turn a psychopath around.


I agree punishment is not the answer nor is controlling the "psychopath" after his/her mind is lost. That would be controlling the effect not fixing the problem.

The problem is the loss of the mind. Fix the problem and you wont have a psychopath to create the massacre effect.

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23 Dec 2012 12:08 #85144 by
Alright for those of you who think that gun laws are needed to be changed let me tell you this. You are quite wrong in the fact that they are as dangerous as people say. Plus the fact that if you think about it many people are killed every year and not JUST by guns. Stab wounds, blunt force trauma, hit and runs. People are the more dangerous ones rather than guns. Guns CAN and DO protect. There is no denying that much. So I will agree with that if you want people to stop killing others... Change the way people's minds work. Though that can never happen... We are meant to kill others, it is our nature. To stop that is to go against our very nature. For we dominate those that are weaker than us. I am quite sure a lot of you can agree on that part. So to say such things about gun laws (especially if you aren't even in the U.S) is just flat out ridiculous. Guns are power, but power does not corrupt as much as one thinks it does. Corruption comes from the THOUGHT of being better than others because they have such power. That is their corruption. Is that their hearts and minds are too weak to take on such responsibility of that much power.

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23 Dec 2012 14:58 #85153 by Jestor
To paraphrase one of my favorite quotes,

"We are physical animals, with the intellect of the divine...."

The more we embrace our intelligence, the quality that lets us arise above being animals, will also bring us closer to the divine in this life....

Fear of the guns, at this (current world) level of intelligence, is ridiculous, in my opinion....

But, people are reacting to emotion, and since they can't ban mental health patients from: A. existing, or, B. being hidden amongst the "normal" folks, they will attack the tool used....

Had he used blunt or edged weapons, small hand-held ones, the call for weapon control would be nil... Had he used a sword, I could see a call for sword control....

They are bandaids... Weapon control, that is...

They do not get to the root of this issue, and I see it as mental health...

This person, like so many, lashed out with no thought of "what am I doing?", or, "what are the consequences?"....

I am guessing he felt that these actions would convey what he felt... Although, who really knows why any of us do what we do, but ourselves....

He was still acting without thought....

And really, we should all think first, wouldn't you agree?

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23 Dec 2012 15:06 - 23 Dec 2012 15:09 #85156 by
The Second Amendment as adopted by Congress

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


In case you have not seen the words to the Amendment.

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According to The Guardian, there were 8583 murders in the US in 2011 but according to the BradyCampaign.org 12,179 people were murdered.

So my question is...Why are cars not being considered an assault weapon?

Seeings how we are not holding the people who commit the crimes responsible but the inanimate object they use to kill responsible, cars are as guilty as guns for the death of human lives.
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