The American gun Laws.....can it remain as it is?

Adder wrote: Bullet proof glass, more secure premises...

I have two things to say to this:

1) Have you SEEN the economy?

2) Improvised Explosive Devices

CIA, if you happen to read this post- understand I am ONLY making a point. I don't want to see people get creative because they lost their ability to use guns.

Alethea Thompson wrote:

Adder wrote: Bullet proof glass, more secure premises...

I have two things to say to this:

1) Have you SEEN the economy?

2) Improvised Explosive Devices

CIA, if you happen to read this post- understand I am ONLY making a point. I don't want to see people get creative because they lost their ability to use guns.

HAHA indeed. There is no immediate solution, but I'm trying to look forward not at where we are now. Explosives and high powered weapons might be easier to track/trace and so if protection levels started to be applied and increased over time it might be able to get ahead of common weapons on US streets. It would have to trickle down from rich to poor over time, but solving problems does cost money and the poor will always be least able to afford early adoption. Eventually though that, and restricted access to high powered weapons might see the problem faced by the US start to be reduced. I read that the murderer had to shoot his way into the school, so schools would be a great place to start upping protection levels. Criminals will always find a way, so its just about making it harder for them so that authorities can have a better chance of getting there in time...... since a ban on guns is impractical in the USA.

There are undoubtedly some valid and well presented statements amongst the last 8 pages and unfortunately I was unavailable to get stuck in to the discussions due to work etc.

Not being an American citizen, my view of the situation is limited I would agree. Additionally there are so many factors involved in changing laws and the embodiment of the same within your constitution, for which I don't claim to have knowledge.

However, In the UK and particularly since the Hungerford and the Dunblane Massacre ( circa 1987 and 1996 respectively) we have managed to limit the number of these senseless type gun killings within our boarders. It is however very difficult to compare the UK with the US, not least in terms of scale and I can only comment on what has seemingly worked for us so far.

Since the above incidents our gun laws changed significantly to ban the ownership of any handguns and unfortunately ( for the decent & rational) the outlawing of all gun clubs that used hand guns recreationally, particularly in response to Dunblane.

Any increase in firearms incidents generally throughout the UK since those times have statistically been criminal and gang related for the most. Without getting in to reams of statistics and detail, the obvious route to control here has been the legislative cap on firearms use and ownership. Criminally our right to defend our loved ones and property has always been based on the use of reasonable force, which for us is embedded in the Criminal Law Act 1967.

The US have a far more complicated situation despite ones attempts to simplify it. In that regard and based on former comments there seems no doubt in my mind that a tightening up of US laws is needed to limit the type of weaponry available and secondly a far more stringent vetting process needs to be implemented so that those applying for any firearms licence/permit are mentally assessed this process encompassing people within their immediate family as well.

This is clearly a massive undertaking but what are the alternatives? A balance has to be reached between the embedded constitutional rights of the American people and the 'Right to Life' of the innocents that are dying at the hands of unbalance maniacs and criminal gangs. You can not deny something needs to change!!

ren wrote: I am the parent of a child with a personality disorder, brother of a woman with mental illness and brother in law of a woman with mental illness, neighbour to a young man with a wide variety of mental and psychological issues (thanks smackhead mother). those 4 people got smacked whenever they got out of line.. conclusion? all have a clean police record, none have a history of violence, only one is on meds.

If you guys let your kids act like this no wonder your prisons are numerous and overcrowded. Guns or no guns.

I see where you are coming from and can understand why you say what you did but it is still insensitive and lacks compassion. We are not on the same page. We have not had the same experiences
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To deal with serious disorders with the amount of corporal puishment necessary to "teach" them proper behavior would be brutality not disapline. People with serious problems need our compassion and help before they go beyond help and over the edge.

Like hand guns I really wouldn't like but could live with simular reg.istration laws for long guns. The responsibilty to keep control over any gun lies with the owner. If unlicensed people had no access to guns they woulld just find somethings else....then we could be discussion, bombs or poison gas.

Nuts are nuts.

Rickie wrote:

ren wrote: I am the parent of a child with a personality disorder, brother of a woman with mental illness and brother in law of a woman with mental illness, neighbour to a young man with a wide variety of mental and psychological issues (thanks smackhead mother). those 4 people got smacked whenever they got out of line.. conclusion? all have a clean police record, none have a history of violence, only one is on meds.

If you guys let your kids act like this no wonder your prisons are numerous and overcrowded. Guns or no guns.

I see where you are coming from and can understand why you say what you did but it is still insensitive and lacks compassion. We are not on the same page. We have not had the same experiences
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To deal with serious disorders with the amount of corporal puishment necessary to "teach" them proper behavior would be brutality not disapline. People with serious problems need our compassion and help before they go beyond help and over the edge.

You don't necesarily need corporal punishment.

Child doesnt want to wear appropriate pants? OK, go without any pants then. Don't want to eat spinach? Don't eat anything. Want to runaway? Send us a postcard.

Ren, your parenting ideas would work with most kids. Totally. But some kids, it just doesn't cut it. How can you teach a suicidal kid what's right and wrong when all they want to do is kill themselves? (And I'm not talking just depression...I'm talking from toddler until death they constantly try to hurt themselves or even inadvertantly others).

Just out of curiosity… how many people that comment on how to raise children have children they are raising?

I only ask because I see a lot of the same comments being made that mirror comments I made before I was a parent. But, as any parent will tell you… children do not come with a manual and when the little snot is your kid it kind of changes how you see things.

Has anyone seen the meme that is going around the net of the youngling about to be killed by Darth Anakin in Star War III? It has the caption "no one blamed the light saber"

Rickie wrote:

ren wrote: Stringent any weapon control. And quite frankly it's the thing I like most about this country.

Excelent.

Now do you know the trend of violent crimes, not just gun crimes, for the UK per million people?

This isn't a trick question. I'd like to see if there is a statice that it can be compaired to this in the US.

Sorry for the double post, but I find the biggest contrast in all the comparisons one can ever make, is comparing the US with Canada.