The American gun Laws.....can it remain as it is?

Places that enjoy some semblance of peace with no military usually have little to no resources of interest to other countries and are often allied to countries with strong militaries...

Whyte Horse wrote:

Rickie wrote:

Whyte Horse wrote:

RyuJin wrote: There is a paradox that proves true too often...

To have peace you must be prepared for war

Just throwing that out there...

I like the example of Costa Rica... They have no military. All their money goes into education and healthcare rather than military. Lots of countries do the same. So why is it that they have peace but aren't prepared for war?
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Any drugs there?

Costa Rica has strict drug laws but prostitution is legal. I don't think drugs relate to peace though because there are countries with liberal drug laws that have peace and no military.

Are there drug related gun killings?

RyuJin wrote: Places that enjoy some semblance of peace with no military usually have little to no resources of interest to other countries and are often allied to countries with strong militaries...

So who has the guns and keeps the peace or are you saying if peopel don't have anything others want then they are safe?

Just because there is no military it doesn't mean there are no police...and in some countries the military and police are one in the same

ren wrote:

And, Ren, that's awesome that you love your country and feel safe in it. That's what matters, right? I also love and feel safe in my country (guns included of course).

... Except it isn't my country.

So, you're not British? Then what is your country if it's not the one you live in?

And although some guns do come from the US they are also obtained from many other countries as well. You know, like when militaries get rid of old stuff. A lot of German, French, Russian, Italian, etc. guns make it over here too (New and old)...even some British ones but those aren't as common.

Though, I do wonder if the Mexican people would feel safer or be safer if honest citizens had freer access to guns instead of just letting thugs have them. Because that's what happens when they become illegal. Criminals have 'em and good people suffer for it. And the Government has yet to save them.

Another thing, do anti-gunners feel that those who have been saved by a firearm should have died instead? Because there are many, many, many times when a law abiding citizen has had to use one to save themselves. Why do they feel their rights are more important than ours? Why should I have to give up a freedom so others can have a false sense of security? Kind of a, "If you can't trust me then I can't trust you." kind of a thing.

V-Tog wrote:

Akkarin wrote: We are at the most peaceful time ever in human history

Is that a fact?

I'm not doubting you, I'm just genuinely interested...it just doesn't really feel as though we're living in a very peaceful world...

Yes it is actually a fact

We are more peaceful and less barbaric than at any other time in human history

Stealing is no longer punished by having your hand chopped off and a single soldiers death is a news story

Even taking into account ALL deaths in WW1 and WW2 they were still, in terms of %, 'smaller' wars than some in human history

Did we exterminate every single German, steal their land, all their possessions and rape their woman, taking their families as slaves at the end of WW2?

Contrary to popular belief about how many wars there are now, there are actually far less than in the past and far less brutal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GgNsmW_bAKI#!

I should point out that there has to be more reason behind wanting a gun than simply because 'Criminals will still do it'

If the reason behind not having a law or not enforcing a law is because 'It will still happen' or 'Someone will just take their place' then you are rationalising away the entire need for a justice system

Why have traffic laws if criminals will still speed? (for example)

America is a special case for gun control because of the sheer amount of guns already present. But 'Criminals will still have guns' was not the reason the 2nd amendment was implemented

That's just one argument. There are many. The fact is we shouldn't have to give up any freedoms or rights because others are "scared." It makes no sense. Other arguments are:

Economy (Lost jobs, lost businesses, lost revenue for both govt. and civilian)
Loss of property
How much would taxes be hiked to pay for the "buy back"?
Personal Freedom Violated
Loss of security
Loss of sports (hunting, marksmanship, etc.)
Memories/mementos lost/Family heirlooms
Would the Presidents men also give up their guns? Or do politicians get to break the laws? Because I heard that that was a big problem in England (higher officials taking the fancy stuff they looted from their citizens for themselves).

Though, I do think that personal protection is a VERY strong argument. If you can't live safely in a country because of drug lords and crack heads, then what's the point in having any laws? Why punish the good (and many) for the bad (and fewer). It's like slapping all your kids because one stole a candy bar. Does that sound like good parenting?

If the only reasone someone wants a gun is beacuase they want it, then that should be their right. Why do we allow booze? Because there is some grand reason behind it's purchase?

Akkarin wrote:

V-Tog wrote:

Akkarin wrote: We are at the most peaceful time ever in human history

Is that a fact?

I'm not doubting you, I'm just genuinely interested...it just doesn't really feel as though we're living in a very peaceful world...

Yes it is actually a fact

We are more peaceful and less barbaric than at any other time in human history

Stealing is no longer punished by having your hand chopped off and a single soldiers death is a news story

Even taking into account ALL deaths in WW1 and WW2 they were still, in terms of %, 'smaller' wars than some in human history

Did we exterminate every single German, steal their land, all their possessions and rape their woman, taking their families as slaves at the end of WW2?

Contrary to popular belief about how many wars there are now, there are actually far less than in the past and far less brutal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GgNsmW_bAKI#!

Sounds like someone has been drinking the kool-aid...

This topic has boiled down to a question that can't be answered, like what is the meaning of life?
like Lucius Annaeus Seneca said 'A sword is never a killer, it's a tool in the killer's hands.'

In an ideal world there would be no need for any sort of weapon, i do not condone the right to bear arms nor even understand why Americans fight so hard for that right. We must reflect on ourselves as individuals and as a society what we want in the long-term instead of pushing a panic button when something bad happens and forget it for a while until it happens again.

The US might need strict gun control (I know i wouldn't feel safe if in my country if almost every person could be a potential gun carrier). But this is more a question of changing man's behaviour (mind control chips would be awesome). To me America seems like one of the most violent countries in the world that seems to view its own freedoms somehow more important than others.