The American gun Laws.....can it remain as it is?

Rickie wrote: As a parent of a child with a personality disorder

I wouldn't even show her how to shoot my air rifle.

The mother taught him how to shoot. I haven't been able to find out if she kept the guns under lock and key. This could make me think about this from a different angle.

I not looking to throw gas on the fire here but I'd like to know more details.

Wendaline wrote: Ren, your parenting ideas would work with most kids. Totally. But some kids, it just doesn't cut it. How can you teach a suicidal kid what's right and wrong when all they want to do is kill themselves? (And I'm not talking just depression...I'm talking from toddler until death they constantly try to hurt themselves or even inadvertantly others).

The most basic learning tool, for all life forms that are capable of learning, is to make the difference between what feels good and what hurts, and to remember it.

Someone senile for instance would probably have a hard time learning anything, and will keep on repeating mistakes. Some diseases also prevent people from feling. I knew people who had a child that was incapable of feeling pain. The kid would cut himself, look at his blood pouring out, not understanding that he was harming himself. I think that kid had little chance of ever learning good from bad and as such may never be able to live free in society... If we lost the ability to feel we'd be fine I think, because we've already learned... But from birth?

But let's be frank here... Issues like these are extremely rare.

ren wrote:

Wendaline wrote: Ren, your parenting ideas would work with most kids. Totally. But some kids, it just doesn't cut it. How can you teach a suicidal kid what's right and wrong when all they want to do is kill themselves? (And I'm not talking just depression...I'm talking from toddler until death they constantly try to hurt themselves or even inadvertantly others).

The most basic learning tool, for all life forms that are capable of learning, is to make the difference between what feels good and what hurts, and to remember it.

Someone senile for instance would probably have a hard time learning anything, and will keep on repeating mistakes. Some diseases also prevent people from feling. I knew people who had a child that was incapable of feeling pain. The kid would cut himself, look at his blood pouring out, not understanding that he was harming himself. I think that kid had little chance of ever learning good from bad and as such may never be able to live free in society... If we lost the ability to feel we'd be fine I think, because we've already learned... But from birth?

But let's be frank here... Issues like these are extremely rare.

Yes, but they do happen (I've seen it). So cookie cutter parenting doesn't work on all children. That's the only point I was trying to make.

I don't know if this has been brought up, but on the same day the as the Connecticut shooting a man in China stabbed 22 children. (They have strict gun control policy).

Interesting?

In Germany (they have some strict rules too) they've had quite a few shootings.

Winnenden

There's the stabbing at a China Daycare (8 injured, 2011), the Rio de Janeiro school shooting (13 dead, 12 injured, 2011), the 2009 stabbing in Belgium (4 dead, 12 injured), 2012 Italy school bombing (1 dead, 5 injured), 2012 France school shooting (4 dead, 1 injured), the list is endless.

It's very tragic, but it's something that has been happening for eons. Like the Bath School Disaster. 1927 a man blew up a school full of children after killing his wife. All because he didn't win his election.

Bath School

More laws do not necessarily make you safer. It's a world wide problem that continues regardless of law. If you don't like it then do your best to lead a good life and step up when you see bad things happening. Don't count on laws to protect you...because they won't.

Unfortunately there is no definitive answer to keeping society on track other than the deterrent of laws that only work for those who abide by them.

With youngsters and adults with mental health issues there can be no simple answer to the breaking of laws by such individuals that may not be in control of certain cognitive abilities, that would ordinarily allow them to understand the difference between right and wrong, good or bad!!

Clearly there are different types of mental illness and certainly different degrees, so the permutations of understanding are almost non exhaustive.

In a democratic society we like to think that when an individual breaks the law, lets say they kill someone, that their mental stability and state of mind is assessed to the best of a professionals ability. After all, this is the basis of such an assessment by which the punishment, if any, is derived. Unfortunately amongst all societies we have clever individuals who know how to 'play the system' and are capable of fooling the health care professionals and the courts.

Until we know more about the brain and how it works I can't see this changing in the near future.can we afford to make mistakes??

However with certain individuals, particularly youngsters who are clearly clever enough to manipulate their parents, in order to get away with unacceptable behaviour and have been identified as having a degree of behavioural issues.They should be disciplined adequately so they learn the error of their ways. I do not favour the 'do-gooder' approach to discipline. I quite openly agree with a degree of physical correction, being a firm slap on the legs for a child as a last resort measure if necessary.

It is the distinct lack of such discipline in the UK that has lead to the low moral element we now have to endure and it's clear how this needs addressing. Don't get me wrong education has its place but so does physical discipline, something that has been a taboo for far too long now!!

Nicole Lapin, formerly a CNBC anchor encourages a full ban on “assault weapons” to thunderous applause from the ladies in the audience.

Penn Jillette defends his position on the 2nd amendment by arguing that we can take better care of children through making sure they are buckled up and watching them closer at swimming pools. His argument was that mass shootings are a rare occurrence and we shouldn't overreact by taking away peoples liberties.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=06Lw7xa6lHU

it sounds cruel but i'm kinda siding with penn on this...

personally i think all schools need to have personnell trained in the use of either handguns or (my preference) a tazer...

punishment should be for the guilty, not for the innocent, and not enacted out of anger but sound judgment...

most importantly there has to be something done to address the mental health issue that is getting swept under the carpet of gun control...

Something I don't understand is how people consider guns give them freedom. It's like saying in the middle east wearing a burka gives you freedom because you're less likely to get lapidated.

I think it is the same mindset that says rights gives one freedom.

I feel that just because a group of people set around and dream up what you’re allowed to do doesn’t equal freedom.

Freedom is a realization, not a set of rules. (or allowances)

I don't think we know enougy yet:

Himansu Patel, owner of the Newtown convenience store, asks how Adam got hold of his mother's guns. "If she had kept them in a safer place," he said, "this thing might not have happened."

Alexander Isgut, a paediatrician in Newtown, said: "If you are going to have an armory," he said, "you have to be responsible for it. Nobody else but you should have access to it."

So far, the police have not disclosed how Nancy Lanza kept the guns, nor how Adam got his hands on them. Did he pry open locks? Did he have the key? Or were the guns standing ready for "prepper home defence"?

The bottom line of the whole argument over the Second Amendment "right to bear arms" is that it is a citizen's right to own as many weapons as he or she likes, but the consequences are that individual's responsibility.

Read more: http://www.theweek.co.uk/us/sandy-hook/50736/nancy-lanza-buried-locals-ask-was-massacre-her-fault#ixzz2FiTF6OWW