And you wonder why we don't always want to make outside contacts...

RiddleNox wrote: You should also remember that the IJRS does not preach a certain physical fitness, but it does support DOING some fitness as part of the Integrative program.

Basically you can go to the gym and log hours in a book signed by the manager.
You can go to a dojo and get sigs from the instructor.
Or, you could do it independently and journal (online published) about it. And, they quantify the number of hours you worked and it has to add up (in addition to spiritual and mental training like reading books or watching movies and journaling) to 50 hours for Novice. 100 for Adept. And so on,

I kind of like this idea. Thanks for sharing.

No problem. Jax came up with a good system. Download the course and check out the intricate system.

Rosalyn J wrote: I think its unfair to say that some other sites are unsuccessful and ....

I certainly didn't mean to imply that, because as I indicated I simply do not know. I did though mean if the people running them consider them to be unsuccessful by way of comparison, when another site appears to be more successful, that then we have a situation where those people might behave in some of the ways which so often appear in online dispora, as described.

V-Tog wrote: The same is true of physical training. We are not fictional Star Wars Jedi, hence there is no definitive answer on whether physical training has any importance at all (this coming from a pretty sporty, physically fit person). I think that it is up to the individual to decide what role physical training should play in their Jedi life, and if the answer is 'none at all', I have no problem with that and it is their decision to make.

By that logic, a person could claim to be a Jedi and see a belief in the Force as one of those 'movie things'. At what point does an idea deviate far enough from the original idea that it becomes something else entirely? Purely rhetorical question... just something to ponder. In the end, I agree with you. People can make any decision they want; it's their decision to make.

No problem. Jax came up with a good system. Download the course and check out the intricate system.

It is a good or bad system depending on the results that they get from it. Are the students and masters in reasonably good physical condition? I don't really know because I don't go to that site. This question doesn't require any answers either. hahaha

Peace be with you all.

MindasArran wrote:

V-Tog wrote: The same is true of physical training. We are not fictional Star Wars Jedi, hence there is no definitive answer on whether physical training has any importance at all (this coming from a pretty sporty, physically fit person). I think that it is up to the individual to decide what role physical training should play in their Jedi life, and if the answer is 'none at all', I have no problem with that and it is their decision to make.

By that logic, a person could claim to be a Jedi and see a belief in the Force as one of those 'movie things'. At what point does an idea deviate far enough from the original idea that it becomes something else entirely? Purely rhetorical question... just something to ponder. In the end, I agree with you. People can make any decision they want; it's their decision to make.

Yeah I totally get that (and I know you said rhetorical, but I wanted to answer anyway :laugh: ). I guess the difference is that the Force has been around a lot longer than the Star Wars films, just called many different things. There are a few people here who have actually never seen a Star Wars movie but believe in the Force and want to learn to connect to it better. However, without the movies, we might believe in the Force but I suspect that the belief that we ought to be doing physical training would be less prevalent (this being in a hypothetical world in which we would have the highly unlikely scenario of having Jedi communities without Star Wars, of course :laugh: ).

Edit: 'less prevalent' here meaning less prevalent, not non-existent. I recognise that there would still be people who would believe it to be important.

Yes, Mindas. They are. haha.

And, I agree completely V-Tog.

You know, I find it funny that people are so keen on martial arts and physical training and whatnot. Not only because we practice Jediism as a religion and not as a Star Wars fan club like some others seem to do, but also because I've actually looked at those gathering pictures in the US, and I can't help but notice that the majority of people there looked totally obese.

ren wrote: You know, I find it funny that people are so keen on martial arts and physical training and whatnot. Not only because we practice Jediism as a religion and not as a Star Wars fan club like some others seem to do, but also because I've actually looked at those gathering pictures in the US, and I can't help but notice that the majority of people there looked totally obese.

You say "people", but it's certainly not a majority of the "people" that espouse dedicated physical training. As you point out, those who do and those who do not are easy to distinguish.

That is because Jedi forget one of the key practices of balance. You cant ONLY practice martial arts. or ONLY spiritual or ONLY Philosophical or ONLY computer.... A Jedi SHOULD be practicing all aspects of mind body and spirit. One does not exist without the other....

Despite what is preached here and other learning places... Fictional Jedi CAN be closely followed in the star wars universe if people merely opened their minds to the realities that are mirrored in the movies and books. Jedi trained martial arts and swordsmanship so that they could defend the republic (your community). Jedi practiced physical training so that they can properly apply their martial training (And have a healthy body). Jedi practiced meditation and force skills so that their minds and spirits are at peace and clearly focused so that they can apply all of the above skills without distractions (Work and social). History so that they dont repeat the evils. (Where did star wars come from if not from our own history)

Its all right there.....Its so simple. And yet so far away in peoples minds.

Online Jedi continue to preach "We are real Jedi" or "We do this for REAL" And yet they can see clearly in the pictures that it is not accurate even one of YOUR Jedi caused a scene at the gathering that frightened a few members and had them running tail off the camping grounds. So I wouldn't be to quick to judge without looking at yourself and your practice.

Kit, that's not fair to bring up what happened with a member of the group. There were circumstances that surrounded that incident which no one but a VERY select few fully understand, and by that I mean myself and said individual.

Let's not bring that problem to light in this forum, it is in the past and the person knows how they can improve and who they can turn to if they need further assistance.

Also if anyone wants to know who the individual is, you will have to find out from someone other than myself, those in the order that need to know what we know already know about the majority of the incident ( and I think beyond myself and said individual only one member of the forum knows the rest of the story. It should stay that way.