The Battle to Decriminalize All Drugs

Now THAT I can respect. I may disagree, but I can respect it.

Star Forge wrote:

rugadd wrote: And throwing the chessboard on the floor and declaring yourself the winner doesn't make it so...unless your really into Zen I guess.

For what it's worth, I am more into the thought of Miyamoto Musashi, and his "Going My Way," rather than Zen.

However, I see no point in debating the obvious. We can argue all day over whose statistics are right, that will get us nowhere. My personal experience, and that of others, has shown me that weed and other drugs lead to no good. While I believe that the current laws in place in the USA are inefficient, I believe that such as substance has no place outside of strictly controlled medical use. I'm sorry there is no link I can cut and paste from my personal experiences, to show all the lives I have seen ruined by drugs as "benign" as weed.

You are right in the sense that arguing all day over [whatever aspect of the topic] is more valid over the other will get us nowhere. Now what do you have to say for your persistent conquest of close-mindedly "preaching the truth" to a forum who just about always comes out on top on its points and facts counter to your claims? You've repeated yourself needlessly.

Express yourself completely,
then keep quiet.
Be like the forces of nature:
when it blows, there is only wind;
when it rains, there is only rain;
when the clouds pass, the sun shines through.

- Tao Te Ching (23)

So we get it loud and clear. You don't approve of the use or legalization of marijuana. However, you are not the authority over the world nor the justice system of any country you've lived in, nor have you shown to have the proper knowledge to act as such. What you say in your views have only shown to be impulsive statements blared out by a blatant hatred for something that is conflicting with your own close-minded social conditioned paradigm. The people who attend this forum come from all over the world with many different perspectives of knowledge and experience, which, compared to the little patch of country you inhabit, shows a much more obviously larger truth. This is why, when you come on this forum and "preach the truth" with no intent of learning or listening to obvious facts by anyone else, you seldom, if ever, convince anyone, because the truth is already known, by the collective that supersedes the singular experience of one person. Don't be an ant trying to fight the ocean. Trust me.

Proteus wrote:

Star Forge wrote:

rugadd wrote: And throwing the chessboard on the floor and declaring yourself the winner doesn't make it so...unless your really into Zen I guess.

For what it's worth, I am more into the thought of Miyamoto Musashi, and his "Going My Way," rather than Zen.

However, I see no point in debating the obvious. We can argue all day over whose statistics are right, that will get us nowhere. My personal experience, and that of others, has shown me that weed and other drugs lead to no good. While I believe that the current laws in place in the USA are inefficient, I believe that such as substance has no place outside of strictly controlled medical use. I'm sorry there is no link I can cut and paste from my personal experiences, to show all the lives I have seen ruined by drugs as "benign" as weed.

You are right in the sense that arguing all day over [whatever aspect of the topic] is more valid over the other will get us nowhere. Now what do you have to say for your persistent conquest of close-mindedly "preaching the truth" to a forum who just about always comes out on top on its points and facts counter to your claims? You've repeated yourself needlessly.

Express yourself completely,
then keep quiet.
Be like the forces of nature:
when it blows, there is only wind;
when it rains, there is only rain;
when the clouds pass, the sun shines through.

- Tao Te Ching (23)

So we get it loud and clear. You don't approve of the use or legalization of marijuana. However, you are not the authority over the world nor the justice system of any country you've lived in, nor have you shown to have the proper knowledge to act as such. What you say in your views have only shown to be impulsive statements blared out by a blatant hatred for something that is conflicting with your own close-minded social conditioned paradigm. The people who attend this forum come from all over the world with many different perspectives of knowledge and experience, which, compared to the little patch of country you inhabit, shows a much more obviously larger truth. This is why, when you come on this forum and "preach the truth" with no intent of learning or listening to obvious facts by anyone else, you seldom, if ever, convince anyone, because the truth is already known, by the collective that supersedes the singular experience of one person. Don't be an ant trying to fight the ocean. Trust me.

Tiny little patch of the country I inhabit. I've lived in two countries in two continents, and spent extended periods of time everywhere in between. Social conditioning. I was raised in one of the worst areas in Alabama, yet at the same time, became a Muslim, and have lived in Malaysia, and am relocating to Ukraine by next summer, so please. Also, the fact that I am the minority opinion here does not necessarily make me wrong-

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."- Joseph Goebbels

-so I won't be intimidated by that one either.

Also, I never claimed that I had solid solutions for the issue. I do know that Malaysia has far less of a drug issue than most of the rest of the world, as well as some of the toughest drug legislation in the world. I also admitted that it could be cultural and geographical, and that Malaysian drug legislation perhaps wouldn't work elsewhere, so don't paint me as a know-it-all, thanks.

lol "malaysia has far less of a drug issue". Sure. Intoxication is haram so instead of sending dealers to prison, they get the chair. They have extensive (forced) programs to combat drug use/addiction. Drug use is on the increase. They have something like one percent of their population hooked on meth or heroin.

Malaysia's war on drugs = huge failure.

Quoting a nazi propagandist is hardly quoting truth...propaganda by its very nature is a lie...all governments use propaganda to exert control over those they govern....

I spent 2 years on a naval base that spent 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year intercepting, reading/listening to ALL global communication that includes email...why do you think they're so desperate to get snowden back?....because he knows how it all works and he revealed their lies for the world to see....

I don't think adolescents should be doing ANY kind of drug, from marijuana to alcohol.

On that topic I noticed a new paper if anyone is really interested on it. It's only 19 pages;

Dare to delay? The impacts of adolescent alcohol and marijuana use onset on cognition, brain structure, and function.
Krista M. Lisdahl*, Erika R. Gilbart, Natasha E. Wright and Skyler Shollenbarger
Department of Psychology, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, Milwaukee, WI, USA

Published online: 01 July 2013 with full text freely available, read the abstract and get it here from Frontiers.

RyuJin wrote: Quoting a nazi propagandist is hardly quoting truth...propaganda by its very nature is a lie...all governments use propaganda to exert control over those they govern....

I spent 2 years on a naval base that spent 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year intercepting, reading/listening to ALL global communication that includes email...why do you think they're so desperate to get snowden back?....because he knows how it all works and he revealed their lies for the world to see....

It doesn't matter who's saying truth, it only matters that it is true. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

ren wrote: lol "malaysia has far less of a drug issue". Sure. Intoxication is haram so instead of sending dealers to prison, they get the chair. They have extensive (forced) programs to combat drug use/addiction. Drug use is on the increase. They have something like one percent of their population hooked on meth or heroin.

Malaysia's war on drugs = huge failure.

I can tell you, having lived there, that their campaign against drugs is not part of the USA-led "war on drugs" or a response to drug use, rather, it's been their modus operandi from day one. I know it seems odd, but it's the contrast between Asian and Western ways of dealing with things. It's got nothing to do with what's haram. The sharia laws there only apply to registered Muslims, and those only apply to alcohol. not illegal drugs. All drug offenses are punished the same way, whether the perpetrator me Muslim or non, Malaysian or foreign.

Let me also add that drug use is on the rise globally. Japan is an example. They have a very zero-tolerance policy toward drugs, and while drug offenses don't warrant the death penalty (and of course Japan doesn't practice caning), you'll be locked up for a long time. Also part of their culture, drug use, from what I understand from Japanese friends, is considered indicative of mental instability or evil within a person.

Star Forge wrote:

ren wrote: lol "malaysia has far less of a drug issue". Sure. Intoxication is haram so instead of sending dealers to prison, they get the chair. They have extensive (forced) programs to combat drug use/addiction. Drug use is on the increase. They have something like one percent of their population hooked on meth or heroin.

Malaysia's war on drugs = huge failure.

I can tell you, having lived there, that their campaign against drugs is not part of the USA-led "war on drugs" or a response to drug use, rather, it's been their modus operandi from day one. I know it seems odd, but it's the contrast between Asian and Western ways of dealing with things. It's got nothing to do with what's haram. The sharia laws there only apply to registered Muslims, and those only apply to alcohol. not illegal drugs. All drug offenses are punished the same way, whether the perpetrator me Muslim or non, Malaysian or foreign.

Let me also add that drug use is on the rise globally. Japan is an example. They have a very zero-tolerance policy toward drugs, and while drug offenses don't warrant the death penalty (and of course Japan doesn't practice caning), you'll be locked up for a long time. Also part of their culture, drug use, from what I understand from Japanese friends, is considered indicative of mental instability or evil within a person.

In japan, school kids run on glue. there is also widespread use of stimulants as japanese culture pushes people into becoming high achievers. Japan has a very high suicide rate.

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