The Battle to Decriminalize All Drugs

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29 Jun 2013 19:37 #111093 by
When All Drugs Were Legal

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29 Jun 2013 20:52 - 29 Jun 2013 20:54 #111098 by RyuJin
@akkarin...it's nice to see I'm not the only one that reads/watches history documentaries... :laugh:


Ah yes, the lovely laws of florida, where you come on vacation, leave on probation, and return on violation....I have been pulled over plenty of times...the most recent cost me my job, home, license, and loads of money...all for driving at 2am on an empty road with my hi beams on...a 268dollar ticket which I couldn't pay in time, resulting in my license being suspended, jail time, probation, ridiculous fees, my job required driving and with no license...no job....with no job, no bills were able to be paid :whistle:

I've had my vehicle searched because "it matched the description of a vehicle used in a crime" as the officer said...later I found out that was a b.s. story...he was profiling because it was a tuner car (1989 nissan sylvia)...in florida if they find a prescription bottle and your name isn't on it they can arrest you for possession....almost happened to me once (my brother in laws script) it took considerable explanation and a phone call to clear up, my brother in law asked me to pick them up from the pharmacy because he couldn't drive (he had a herniated disk and was required to stay in bed)

I'm supposed to take flexoril(a muscle relaxer) and vicodin(a painkiller) for my lower back,however the muscle relaxer makes me drowsy and the painkiller makes me nauseous so I almost never take them...I only take the muscle relaxer when the back problems become too much to block out and prevent me from sleeping and for years I would simply flush the painkillers to prevent any trouble...now I just don't bother filling the script...

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30 Jun 2013 01:18 #111135 by

Br. John wrote: This topic is about decriminalization of drug possession for personal use. It's not about legalization or taxation and regulation. Look at what one pill did to this man. This is where the law is the real crime. This is not justice. Under a decriminalization scenario he'd have paid a civil fine with no criminal record and been referred to treatment if he needed it. He didn't.

How a Single Oxycontin Pill Nearly Ruined One Man's Life

http://reason.com/archives/2012/08/06/how-a-single-oxycontin-pill-nearly-ruine


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He chose to keep the pill.

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30 Jun 2013 02:28 #111141 by
So, someone who was given a pill and chose NOT to use it should be punished until his life is ruined?

Sorry, but don't you think it would be better to allow our citizens to be working and contributing to society rather than making it harder for them to find employment?

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30 Jun 2013 02:31 #111142 by

Wendaline wrote: So, someone who was given a pill and chose NOT to use it should be punished until his life is ruined?

Sorry, but don't you think it would be better to allow our citizens to be working and contributing to society rather than making it harder for them to find employment?


He still accepted it in the first place. He could have thrown it out the car window going down the road at any time. Yes, I disagree with how the USA handles drug issues. Back in Malaysia, the law sees drugs as very black and white. Either you are a user or a trafficker. A user will get a prison sentence and caning, but will be rehabilitated and will be able to have a job and normal life after prison. Usually, a trafficker gets either death or a long prison sentence and severe caning. I have very little sympathy for users, none for traffickers.

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30 Jun 2013 02:35 #111144 by

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Wendaline wrote: So, someone who was given a pill and chose NOT to use it should be punished until his life is ruined?

Sorry, but don't you think it would be better to allow our citizens to be working and contributing to society rather than making it harder for them to find employment?


He still accepted it in the first place. He could have thrown it out the car window going down the road at any time. Yes, I disagree with how the USA handles drug issues. Back in Malaysia, the law sees drugs as very black and white. Either you are a user or a trafficker. A user will get a prison sentence and caning, but will be rehabilitated and will be able to have a job and normal life after prison. Usually, a trafficker gets either death or a long prison sentence and severe caning. I have very little sympathy for users, none for traffickers.


But you're a drug user. :unsure:

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30 Jun 2013 02:37 #111145 by

Wendaline wrote:

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Wendaline wrote: So, someone who was given a pill and chose NOT to use it should be punished until his life is ruined?

Sorry, but don't you think it would be better to allow our citizens to be working and contributing to society rather than making it harder for them to find employment?


He still accepted it in the first place. He could have thrown it out the car window going down the road at any time. Yes, I disagree with how the USA handles drug issues. Back in Malaysia, the law sees drugs as very black and white. Either you are a user or a trafficker. A user will get a prison sentence and caning, but will be rehabilitated and will be able to have a job and normal life after prison. Usually, a trafficker gets either death or a long prison sentence and severe caning. I have very little sympathy for users, none for traffickers.


But you're a drug user. :unsure:


When did I ever say that? My only experience with drugs is one singular instance of marijuana use years ago.

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30 Jun 2013 02:39 - 30 Jun 2013 02:40 #111146 by RyuJin
And we all know how willing employers are to hire people with any sort of criminal record...a real example of tolerance and understanding....

And alcohol IS classified as a depressant and therefore a drug

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30 Jun 2013 02:41 #111147 by
I'm pretty sure nicotine is a drug.

Most people this day and age are drug users...if not addicted. Caffeine being one of the most used. The only difference is law. Nicotine, alcohol, and caffeine are considers okay and maybe even cool to use. But all three are addictive and, at times, destructive.

Why should a pot trafficker be sentenced to death but not the people who sell you your cigarettes?

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30 Jun 2013 02:43 #111148 by

RyuJin wrote: And we all know how willing employers are to hire people with any sort of criminal record...a real example of tolerance and understanding....

And alcohol IS classified as a depressant and therefore a drug


Don't give me that whole "alcohol is a drug" thing. Technically, so is the caffeine in your soda. I buy my beer legally at the store. If it was illegal, I wouldn't drink it.

If you play with illegal or prescription drugs, know the consequences. Don't ride around with a pill in your pocket that you have no prescription for.

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