The Battle to Decriminalize All Drugs

As it were, alcohol is not digest to the human organism. A by-product of the metabolisation of alcohol (whereby the liver has to turn it into vinegar to eliminate it) is a nasty substance, tetrahydrapaparveroline (THP) which will force its way into one's neural receptors that would actually be the circuit for seratonin, dopamine, bufotenine ... you know, to borrow from another thread, 'things which make us happy'. Then the enzymes come along to flush away all the good stuff and leave us with the crap ... Alcohol is a right nasty thing, when it comes right down to it.

On the other hand, I can't really say about other drugs, but it really isn't a matter of being a digestion/metabolisation problem. The THC from cannibus smoking does get into the receptors for the natural endorphine anandamine, which gives us the same effect.

So, if our bodies make this stuff which is legal, I don't quite get why we would go buying anything to get arrested for ...



Perhaps what we're mostly addicted to is the "buying". At least, at first ...

Akkarin wrote: Indeed. Well said Carl! Each time I smoke I love the increased sensory awareness, there is a point after first smoking when I can realise that all of a sudden my sight and my hearing have increased and it's a wonderful feeling!

Alcohol can make people pretty violent... can getting high on marijuana do the same? So far as I have experienced it it has just made people more relaxed... even if you get really high...

Star Forge wrote: Alcohol can be consumed without any drunkenness occurring, all depending on what the drinker wants to do, that is to say, it can be sipped and enjoyed like any other beverage, so it does not exist solely for the purpose of intoxication.

Marijuana can be consumed without any great high occurring, all depending on what the smoker wants to do, that is to say, it can be smoked like any other leaf, so it does not exist solely for the purpose of getting very high.

Star Forge wrote: Most, if not all of the drugs you are all arguing should be decriminalized or legalized have the sole purpose of putting one out of their mind.

Like... alcohol?

If you're going to use the misuse of moderation argument against drugs then I'm going to use the misuse of moderation argument for alcohol and if you disagree with one you must disagree with the other... Vice versa...

One must remember that it is all well and good talking about the social impacts of using drugs, but you have to remember about the social impacts of imprisoning people who have literally never harmed a single person and destroying their lives least of all to mention the costs incurred by having a massive prison population...

Thank God we stopped this woman's reign of terror!

You're making it sound as if one can't have a drink and remain completely unaffected. I personally can have, say. a margarita or two beers and be just as sober as if I hadn't. I'm obviously not a user of marijuana so forgive me if I am wrong, but you do smoke it to attain some level of a high, right? I know that in the UK, folks like to mix their infernal weed with wholesome pipe tobacco, which at least moderates the effects of the weed, so if that is what you are doing in your profile pic, I still don't approve, but I can understand what you mean when you allude to less severe highs. The smokers here in the USA are not as moderate. I'll take my pipe tobacco as is, though.

In reference to the article, I agree that the sentence is heavy handed, but I still hold fast to the conviction that drug users and pushers should not go unpunished. I say this because I have lived in two countries with very different policies and public opinions on drugs, and spent much time in many countries in-between, and I have seen the difference. I've already mentioned Malaysia's very strict drug laws, and I might also add that while alcohol is legal in most of Malaysia, it is illegal for Muslims to consume, and, with Islam being the majority religion, there are not too many drinkers. I felt safer in Malaysia than I do back home in the USA or anywhere in Europe. It's too safe and clean to be real, almost. I've come to the conclusion that their views on drugs and the corresponding laws are responsible for a lot of this. My belief is that society should not have to make a compromise with drug users.

For give my cliche but to quote system of a down " all successful research and drug policies show that treatment should be increase and law enforcement decreased while abolishing mandatory minimum sentences"

"Fallowing the rights movement you clamped down with your iron fists drugs became conveniently available for all the kids"

If you want to live in a free country then you have to make compromises to remain free....if you want laws and government dictating every aspect of your life then move somewhere that suits your wants...if your unhappy in the u.s. then go back to malaysia where you obviously feel so much happier...oh yeah forgot ...it's a great place to live, but not a great racial culture to raise a child in...


Btw many people can smoke a single joint and not be affected in the manner you seem to be terrified of...just because a few potheads where you are can't control themselves doesn't mean all potheads can't...there are more people in jail because of pot, yes...but there are more deathscaused by alcohol than pot...

Star Forge wrote: You're making it sound as if one can't have a drink and remain completely unaffected.

Doesn't that depend on the drink and time it takes to consume it? You take a shot, even just one shot and yes it will affect a person...even if only minimally.

I still don't understand how you can preach punishments for drug users and sellers...yet be completely okay with being a drug user yourself. Is it purely law which guides you? Because laws aren't always just...

My belief is that society should not have to make a compromise with drug users.

What if the vast majority of society are drug users?

Wendaline wrote:

Star Forge wrote: You're making it sound as if one can't have a drink and remain completely unaffected.

Doesn't that depend on the drink and time it takes to consume it? You take a shot, even just one shot and yes it will affect a person...even if only minimally.

I still don't understand how you can preach punishments for drug users and sellers...yet be completely okay with being a drug user yourself. Is it purely law which guides you? Because laws aren't always just...

My belief is that society should not have to make a compromise with drug users.

What if the vast majority of society are drug users?

I am not a drug user.

If society is primarily composed of drug users, then society has ceased to exist.

We're all drug users I'm betting. Legal or non.

Wendaline wrote: We're all drug users I'm betting. Legal or non.

I think you get what I'm saying.

Could try joining straightedge or having a "come and get me stoners" with nazy green camo pants. In history it's not war that solves, it's invention. Electionic cigarettes are examples.

Starforge:

But the point remains the same. You are making it sound as if one can't have a toke and remain completely unaffected. Lightweight drinkers can be completely consumed after just a few shots just as some people can do little amounts of drugs and still be ok. I don't understand this persistence of the moderation argument when you are not even 'a user of marijuana so forgive me if I am wrong'. You make it sound like every possible instance that it is involved in is bad which is just incorrect, it can be done correctly and safely and without ever harming someone you know or yourself.

Actually many mix it with normal hand-rolling tobacco, but I never mix and am smoking a nice aromatic Borkum Riff Cherry Cavendish tobacco in my profile picture actually. I don't smoke weed in my house lol.

Another righteous conviction for the anti-drug proponents. People can be arrested and given a DUI (driving under influence) without even being high...

JediScruffy wrote: For give my cliche but to quote system of a down " all successful research and drug policies show that treatment should be increase and law enforcement decreased while abolishing mandatory minimum sentences"

"Fallowing the rights movement you clamped down with your iron fists drugs became conveniently available for all the kids"

"They're trying to build a prison for you and me..."