The Battle to Decriminalize All Drugs

Star Forge wrote:

Brenna wrote:

RyuJin wrote: I know plenty that have dealt with mental issues using weed ....and others that have done so with alcohol...

I dont believe people "deal" with mental issues with weed, cigarettes or alcohol, so much as they mask or cope using them.

I can say with experience that cigarettes have anti-depressant qualities. And here I am, quitting for the second time, 12 hours after my last cig and not yet needing another. Cigarettes are simply unhealthy, they do not damage one's life and relationships as drugs or even alcohol can do.

Try telling my dead stepdad that cigarettes don't damage one's life...I'm sure he would have enjoyed having both lungs, rather than being unable to do all the activities he used to enjoy before lung cancer...

Wendaline wrote:

Let me lay out the logic for you.

Alcohol, tobacco, and soda have heath risks. So does most of what you eat. And don't get me started on the poison (witch)doctors give you. However, tobacco, unhealthy as certain forms of it can be, does not put you out of your mind. What mental effects it has are very mild and generally work toward a mild sense of relaxation. Caffeine is bad for you, it seems, but like tobacco, it doesn't put you out of your mind. Alcohol can put you out of your mind, but it requires effort and intent, and this is not the only use of alcohol. Alcohol can be consumed without any drunkenness occurring, all depending on what the drinker wants to do, that is to say, it can be sipped and enjoyed like any other beverage, so it does not exist solely for the purpose of intoxication.

Most, if not all of the drugs you are all arguing should be decriminalized or legalized have the sole purpose of putting one out of their mind.

I don't believe that's true.

I could argue cocaine doesn't put you out of your mind, it only gives you an energy boost...like caffeine but BETTER!

Or if we have a problem with the heavily processed, white version then why not just let us chew on leaves like some South Americans do?

What you seem to be arguing when it comes to booze, cigs, and coffee is moderation. Well, people have been known to use weed and coke in moderation too.

So far, none of your arguments have given a good reason as to why some drugs are better than others.

Oh, and as for nicotine being mild...hehe...I once tried chewing tobacco ( :sick: ) and it made my mind pretty dizzy. It's effect were not mild in the least.

Yes, use South Americans who live in their own filth as an example. The effects of weed or cocaine are exponentially more evil than alcohol at its worst.

ren wrote:

Wendaline wrote:

ren wrote: Nicotine is addictive, but it's actually pretty good for health. It doesn't make people more dangerous, unlike alcohol and other drugs (legal or not).

Acute effects of nicotine withdrawal syndrome in pilots during flight

It doesn't seem to make people dangerous while using the drug, but when they're going through withdrawals they can become a hazard to themselves or others...like pilots experiencing "an impairment of cognitive functions during abstinence" or the angry fellow who just needs his fix.

The solution already exists: It's the nicotine patch. As I said the only problem with nicotine is addiction.

True, but it can also be used as a poison, like for bugs...or people. :ohmy:

Star Forge wrote: Yes, use South Americans who live in their own filth as an example. The effects of weed or cocaine are exponentially more evil than alcohol at its worst.

Uh huh, tell that to all the alcoholics I know who have lost both livelihood and life to the sweet, sweet nectar.

I don't know about weed, but I don't think it can erode your esophagus to the point where you drown in your own blood. Alcohol on the other hand...

Wendaline wrote:

ren wrote:

Wendaline wrote:

ren wrote: Nicotine is addictive, but it's actually pretty good for health. It doesn't make people more dangerous, unlike alcohol and other drugs (legal or not).

Acute effects of nicotine withdrawal syndrome in pilots during flight

It doesn't seem to make people dangerous while using the drug, but when they're going through withdrawals they can become a hazard to themselves or others...like pilots experiencing "an impairment of cognitive functions during abstinence" or the angry fellow who just needs his fix.

The solution already exists: It's the nicotine patch. As I said the only problem with nicotine is addiction.

True, but it can also be used as a poison, like for bugs...or people. :ohmy:

Everything can be used as a poison.

Too much of anything can be toxic....

Excess is the real evil...not the substance

ren wrote:

Wendaline wrote:

ren wrote:

Wendaline wrote:

ren wrote: Nicotine is addictive, but it's actually pretty good for health. It doesn't make people more dangerous, unlike alcohol and other drugs (legal or not).

Acute effects of nicotine withdrawal syndrome in pilots during flight

It doesn't seem to make people dangerous while using the drug, but when they're going through withdrawals they can become a hazard to themselves or others...like pilots experiencing "an impairment of cognitive functions during abstinence" or the angry fellow who just needs his fix.

The solution already exists: It's the nicotine patch. As I said the only problem with nicotine is addiction.

True, but it can also be used as a poison, like for bugs...or people. :ohmy:

Everything can be used as a poison.

True, again. Some are more effective than others. Though, I guess drinking water to the point of death and getting splashed with some liquid nicotine have the same effect in the end.

Though, if anything can be used to the point of harm, then where do we draw the line on what's legal and what's illegal?

Wendaline wrote:

ren wrote:

Wendaline wrote:

ren wrote:

Wendaline wrote:

ren wrote: Nicotine is addictive, but it's actually pretty good for health. It doesn't make people more dangerous, unlike alcohol and other drugs (legal or not).

Acute effects of nicotine withdrawal syndrome in pilots during flight

It doesn't seem to make people dangerous while using the drug, but when they're going through withdrawals they can become a hazard to themselves or others...like pilots experiencing "an impairment of cognitive functions during abstinence" or the angry fellow who just needs his fix.

The solution already exists: It's the nicotine patch. As I said the only problem with nicotine is addiction.

True, but it can also be used as a poison, like for bugs...or people. :ohmy:

Everything can be used as a poison.

True, again. Some are more effective than others. Though, I guess drinking water to the point of death and getting splashed with some liquid nicotine have the same effect in the end.

Though, if anything can be used to the point of harm, then where do we draw the line on what's legal and what's illegal?

Ideally what should be illegal is what harms others or society as a whole. Laws aren't just here to prevent individual harm but also to guide civilization. Unfortunately nowadays people tend to be greedy and vote for personal gratification (direct personal gain, or to the satisfaction of one's personal beliefs), this at the expense of their civilization.

http://azarius.net/news/306/Carl_Sagans_essay_on_cannabis/


Part of the message is hidden for the guests. Please log in or register to see it.

Indeed. Well said Carl! Each time I smoke I love the increased sensory awareness, there is a point after first smoking when I can realise that all of a sudden my sight and my hearing have increased and it's a wonderful feeling!

Alcohol can make people pretty violent... can getting high on marijuana do the same? So far as I have experienced it it has just made people more relaxed... even if you get really high...

Star Forge wrote: Alcohol can be consumed without any drunkenness occurring, all depending on what the drinker wants to do, that is to say, it can be sipped and enjoyed like any other beverage, so it does not exist solely for the purpose of intoxication.

Marijuana can be consumed without any great high occurring, all depending on what the smoker wants to do, that is to say, it can be smoked like any other leaf, so it does not exist solely for the purpose of getting very high.

Star Forge wrote: Most, if not all of the drugs you are all arguing should be decriminalized or legalized have the sole purpose of putting one out of their mind.

Like... alcohol?

If you're going to use the misuse of moderation argument against drugs then I'm going to use the misuse of moderation argument for alcohol and if you disagree with one you must disagree with the other... Vice versa...

One must remember that it is all well and good talking about the social impacts of using drugs, but you have to remember about the social impacts of imprisoning people who have literally never harmed a single person and destroying their lives least of all to mention the costs incurred by having a massive prison population...

Thank God we stopped this woman's reign of terror!