Sith Realist Resources

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: On to better things...

The internal core of our being is manifest through thoughts in two personified forms - a sinister entity and an altruistic entity.

I'm more of a monist, there being only one fundamental Force. Like how the dark side of the Moon is not another Moon, but just a side of it... and that there is no negative Force or positive Force, just the Force. In that example they are not even natures of the Moon, but more broadly the light dark dichotomy are measures of something. And our 'entity of self' is understood in concepts, of which there is a multitude of options! Not a duality, in my opinion.

It rather just happens to be that particular conceptual model that we can use in decision making and self identity has polar ends of 'good' and 'bad', on terms of our experience of existence, but there'd be others. That spectrum model is useful as it relates directly to the language of mapping, which is probably how our brain functions as a perceptive system. But I'd think that works best when viewed as having the same importance as every other point along the spectrum and not elevating the poles to importance and then imbuing them as 'right' and 'wrong'. If not just because they are conditional and/or circumstantial representations which hold the most validity only in the past, so they tend to chain one in subjective and habitual modes.

TLDR things don't have to be black and white for them to be easy to understand.

So in relationship to behavioural models, a concept of entity in a 'Force' sense to me is more about direct perception of external and internal and a third non-dual connectiveness. The point being that this nature of focus breaks chains and barriers and could be a more effective way to work with both past and present to shape ones future. So for me the Sith paradigm with that approach is more on the internal, while the Jedi is more on the external (in the context of sacrifice), BUT the same fundamental mechanism of 'Force practice' exists in both with all three overlapping areas being of focus. In this way, I consider someone is able to be one and other at different times and that either one can be a full and complete path, and that the labels either represent their focus or their mask. In a social setting a mask serves to hide or promote oneself, while in a ritual private space a mask serves focus. So in my mind, there is no grey Jedi and Sith is either hiding or selling themselves.... while a Jedi is exemplifying the Force connection by representing their focus (since by virtue of the social setting the focus is external). How is that for confusing :silly:

My explanation was not meant to imply any sort of dual nature. It is a single nature aspected in different forms through personified archetypes. Its impracticle to try and relate that to the sides of a moon because personality archetypes are not real, as in physical. They do not exist "in a space". Therefore they can manifest in ways we as physical creatures would have a hard time comprehending.

As for a sith embracing the beauty of our flawed nature I dont see that as a static position. In fact it is the very core of a dynamic position. Perfection is not something that can be a challenge because there is no work to be done. However a flawed state is one in which transformation can occur and therein lies the challenge for a sith. All transformative creation also has a component of destruction and if your not willing to sacrifice that part no creation can occur.

Sith are willing to sacrifice for that transformation while jedi want to keep in place what is already there but only add to it. That is the difference. The jedi way is cumbersome and inefficient, the sith way is brutal but concise and highly effective.

Sith are willing to sacrifice for that transformation while jedi want to keep in place what is already there but only add to it. That is the difference. The jedi way is cumbersome and inefficient, the sith way is brutal but concise and highly effective.[/quote]

Not all Jedi—- and some Jedi - including myself can agree most Jedi are a bit Sith minded if you really wanna get to it , because in reality - the balance of light and dark of black and white exist - balance is often the quest for each individual. No one code can be called right or wrong and no idea or way can claim to be fully the ONE- some do- but we as humans are entitled to our own opinions over things. Which is better and which is not is like watching people cheer for their fav sports team. That’s to each person for their own reason - balance- their own balance of things. To be aware that there is a Sith code is encouraged. To seek wisdom is encouraged. To seek- flat out - is encouraged. To create your own balance is as well! Which path you choose is to the individual as well. That’s one of the joys of being human- we have that choice we can use any time we want. To have a balanceand atroce for that- CAN -be the same as enjoying the beauty and the mess of things, but once again that’s to the individual-
Jedi teaching #3 says
3. Jedi are aware of the future impacts of action and inaction and of the influence of the past, but live in and focus on the Now. We let ourselves flow like water through the events around us. We embrace the ever changing and fluid world, adapting and changing as it does.

Some days it’s neither Sith nor Jedi but just taking the time to stop and think.


Edit: truly in real life, there is no competition.

Carlos.Martinez3 wrote: Jedi teaching #3 says
3. Jedi are aware of the future impacts of action and inaction and of the influence of the past, but live in and focus on the Now. We let ourselves flow like water through the events around us. We embrace the ever changing and fluid world, adapting and changing as it does.

Edit: truly in real life, there is no competition.

You actually make my point with this. All life is competition, even if that competition is with self.

A sith will never allow the river to take them. They would never give up that power. Instead they manipulate the river, change its course, corrupt its flow and reshape it to a design they require without regard to what others feel it should be. They imbue it with their essence and as a result transform it to fulfill their desires. There is nothing passive in this where intent is just accepted. It is a wholly active process where intent is forced outward in accordance with the siths will. Jedi allow themselves to be shaped by their environment, while on the other hand sith shape their environment to their design.

Is finding balance a competition ?

Only to people who are losing

Rex wrote: Only to people who are losing

#deep

Balance is not an end, it is a means.

You want to cross that road. You make sure to stay balanced to avoid falling over in the middle of the street and getting run over by a car.

Other than that, balance is pointless. You get no medals for poise.

Manu wrote: Balance is not an end, it is a means.

You want to cross that road. You make sure to stay balanced to avoid falling over in the middle of the street and getting run over by a car.

Other than that, balance is pointless. You get no medals for poise.

I’m thinking your being sarcastic ?
Balance in life helps big time. It helped me get rid of that “run over like feeling.” Or that lost or even helpless way not having controll over some things brings me. Balance exist often when no one sees... you can fake it or even mask it present but in the long run when your alone and off-the-line *there- that virtue or lack of it will be ever present.

Yea sacrifice is rather intrinsic to any spiritual path IMO, as I think it plays into the mechanisms of spirit most deeply. I don't think its a Jedi v Sith thing, but rather a spiritualist v materialist thing in regards to the degree of sacrifice, whether it be rewiring of ones consciousness or superficial adjustment of focus pumped up as great progress.

Kyrin Wyldstar wrote: [

A sith will never allow the river to take them. They would never give up that power. Instead they manipulate the river, change its course, corrupt its flow and reshape it to a design they require without regard to what others feel it should be. They imbue it with their essence and as a result transform it to fulfill their desires. There is nothing passive in this where intent is just accepted. It is a wholly active process where intent is forced outward in accordance with the siths will. Jedi allow themselves to be shaped by their environment, while on the other hand sith shape their environment to their design.

Haha.

Only dead fish go with the flow.

The Sith path is a path of life.

Only fish literally dying to mate swim up stream. Heh

I think the really key here is to realize you are the river not the fish. Even the most raging river have to abide by several laws even when they carve the deepest canyon .

Much Love, Respect and Peace,
Kobos

I have no idea what this means.

Kobos wrote: I think the really key here is to realize you are the river not the fish. Even the most raging river have to abide by several laws even when they carve the deepest canyon .

Much Love, Respect and Peace,
Kobos

You still make my point. Even though a river appears to be flowing around stuff it is, in actuality, one of the most destructive and creative forces on the planet. Constantly carving and shaping its environment, bending it to its will, channeling the deepest canyons or creating the most magnificent deltas. Nothing withstands its force and the only laws it obeys is the laws of physics. Beyond that all is fair game for its power. It seems you are saying the Jedi are but an illusion because they fail to look deep enough at life to see what is really going on.

Maybe, it's that it is all an illusion , and it is all a balance, while the river flows it is confined in its shape even while it changes it the environment and well shape, I was not meant to argue your point only present a different perspective..........

Bansenshukai!!!
Hehe, reminds me of the book of ninja's; "All Rivers Merge into the Sea.
I'm more of a salt water type myself. Tributaries/distributaries are for those scared of the deep water.... and hey fear makes a great ally if you like running away

If I may offer my own thoughts about how I view the difference between Jedi and Sith (aside from all this fish stuff, lol), the conversation on this thread as I've read it has made me think of a scene from a Spider-Man video game, Edge of Time.

SPOILERS
In this game, we learn that Peter Parker was the CEO of Alchemax all along, which is the company responsible for ALL of the USA's problems in 2099. The Sith and Jedi differ to me in a similar way 2099 Peter and Present Peter view Power and Responsibility.

Present Peter would simply say "With great power, comes great responsibility." Present Peter clearly interprets this as "The more power you have, the more you are responsible for what happens around you." He knows all too well that his powers and the powers of others are what makes the difference between helping and hurting people, and he chooses to help.
2099 Peter still holds his acute awareness of power in his mind, but after he lost everyone he loved to a non-specified event that he was powerless to stop, his moral phrase was twisted in his own head. When he speaks to Present Peter, he has this to say:
"With great power comes great responsibility... and opportunity. And the only way to live up to all that responsibility is to use every opportunity to get ALL the power."
But wait, if Present Peter interprets "responsibility" as "to others", and 2099 Peter got twisted this way because he didn't have enough power, then doesn't that just make 2099 Peter power-hungry so he can help others? How is he like a Sith?
It's harder to notice if you don't truly understand the horrible things Alchemax is tied to, which is more explicit in the comics. Drugging workers into addiction with an exclusive serum and paying them in money AND the serum so they can't leave, even in the face of immoral human experiments, pollution without regulations, and a police equipped with hidden security cameras in every imaginable space that arrest you if you speak or do anything even slightly interpreted as unusual? Does that sound like helping?
It does, a little, when you stop to think about it, right? Well, he needs his workers, and the police are preventing crime before it happens, right?
Consider this: the Sith acquire all the power they possibly can in service of a personal goal. They discard morals and emotion in order to attain whatever they need to, not just achieve, but crush this personal goal into the dirt. This is what 2099 Peter has done, where as Present Peter is content to do the most of what he can with what he has without going out of his way for more, and more, and more... like the Jedi are.

Or, the spoiler free TL;DR version:
The Jedi are "With great power comes great responsibility [to others]".
The Sith are "I need ALL the power so I can do anything and everything I've ever wanted [which can sometimes include others if it suits me]".

If that makes any sense.

Do you think realist sithism would be equal/comparative to LaVeys philosophical satanism?

I mean, the core values, and stuff. LaVeys teaching can be summarised as such: "You shall do what you want, as long as it doesnt hurt anyone else (except if they deserve it :evil: )".

Or is this in practice closer to the practic of a grey jedi?

What do you think?

What ya looking for? Sith isn’t our thing here. It is in other places but not here. I’m a A Levey fan myself along with ideas like Alister Crowley and A Rand but I like to hear other peoples actual ideas as well. What ya think?