The American gun Laws.....can it remain as it is?

Desolous wrote: teen girls are also deadly weapons. discuss.

In way too many ways :laugh:

I'm scared to talk to females I don't know because too many lie about their age and get fake id's....I don't like jail

RyuJin wrote: I don't want to see any sort of gun ban...it would only make it harder for the honest/good people to defend themselves from all the idiotic savages that obtain their weapons illegally, now some will say "but what about the police?"..to which I reply "can you really trust them, besides there's way more citizens than police, they can't be everywhere"....

Sadly as long as there are people in the world with the desire to kill innocents, the innocents will need a means of leveling the field...

Unfortunately, thanks to recent events and the mass media's over exposure of them I feel that a ban will be pushed through without the peoples approval all in "their best interest"...when it will also serve as a distraction from the economic situation, and the ridiculous bipartisan bullcrap going on in the government

I'm not interested in a gun ban per se either, but I think there are some loopholes that need to be closed. For example: buying a weapon at a gun show where no background check is conducted.

I'm also for full psyche evaluations to be completed (at the purchaser's expense) before any kind of gun or rifle is purchased.

The sad thing is, even if both measures above were put in place, that wouldn't have prevented the last shooting since the murderer stole the weapons.

No easy answers...

It also wouldn't have helped with the firefighters being killed either since the killer had someone else buy them for him...I hope they charge her for both deaths and the attempted deaths....

I had this discussion recently with my Uncle.

The way I see it, no government is ever likely to ban guns outright. People might be like "Yeah we need to get rid of guns" but I bet my ass if you take that right away from them and take their gun off them, they're gonna switch.

The problem in my opinion is that if one person has a gun then the other person is gonna want an even bigger gun to defend himself.

But it's not just America, it's other places aswell and on a grander scale it's the whole world.

To me there's no difference between a kid in Brazil or the states or wherever having a gun because the other kinds on his street have guns and threaten him with them; and the fact that one country will buy nuclear arms with tax payers money just because another one does. No difference. It's a cycle, you could almost call it human nature. You protect yourself and you do what you feel you need to, to survive.

Sorry if some of this doesn't make sense, I'm so tired.

I believe there should be some modifications to the second amendment. Americans must realize that when the 2nd amendment was made, guns took half a minute to load, and it wasn't very reliable. Today, we have guns that civilians can own that can shoot an easy 400-600 rounds in a minute. I believe American citizens should be allowed to own weapons, and certain fire arms, but not firearms that the military still uses.

ren wrote: Read my post again. I was talking about foreign policy and big business. And putting forward the idea that what happens at high business/government levels is the same thing that happens at the individual level. People with big guns use them. And a side effect of that is they need to use them more and more. Hence the "guns are drugs" final statement.

But it's a false statement. People with big guns don't need to use them more and more. If that were the case then wouldn't we be nuking each other left and right? Many countries have nukes but we don't need to use them. Just as an individual with a gun doesn't "need" to use it. In fact, I'd say many are never used.

Besides that I don't at all understand your link between government and individual. They function differently. And the US is not the only country who has big businesses in other countries. We get blamed for a lot of it (though without customers then those businesses wouldn't even be there) but other countries sprout large companies as well. Virgin, Honda, BP, Nestle...I could go on. Should I dislike the UK for selling gas and phones? Should I dislike the Swiss for selling chocolate? What about the Japanese? Should I dislike their inventions too??? Big businesses don't survive without customers.

But it's a false statement. People with big guns don't need to use them more and more. If that were the case then wouldn't we be nuking each other left and right?

I don't understand. I thought your argument was for continued gun sales/ownership. Now you're saying there are no benefits to it? Why would anyone put a dangerous weapon in their home if they don't need it? That woman was keeping all of them guns just in case one day, her son could go mental, grab the guns and go shoot some kids?

And what was she thinking taking her mental son to the shooting range anyways?!? Something just doesn't make sense, you don't bring someone who's mental to a shooting range, just to keep the kid from being by himself....hello, any red flags popping up???

Ahubb wrote: I believe there should be some modifications to the second amendment. Americans must realize that when the 2nd amendment was made, guns took half a minute to load, and it wasn't very reliable. Today, we have guns that civilians can own that can shoot an easy 400-600 rounds in a minute. I believe American citizens should be allowed to own weapons, and certain fire arms, but not firearms that the military still uses.

This is the only way there can be any modification to the current gun issue.

People may think the Constitution is outdated and ridiculous (I've had people say this to me), however, it is what the USA is based on. It is our governing document, and as such can only be circumvented by amending it. Period. The discussion needs to be how to best amend the Constitution, and I do not relish that discussion at all.

There is no easy, and certainly no quick, solution to this issue, however, I do not think a total gun ban will happen, nor would I want it too.

Wendaline wrote: people can be around guns or not.

Yes, but the wrong people may be around guns, and then something like school shootings happen.