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12 Dec 2012 17:36 #83595 by RyuJin
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in regards to maneuvering/manipulating...all of the known social skills are valid tools, including niceness,kindness,generosity,aloofness,silence,body language...whether it's for good or bad, manipulation is manipulation...

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12 Dec 2012 17:38 - 12 Dec 2012 17:45 #83596 by
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Modified which words? I thought I did good that time!!!:ohmy:


Ah,I really didnt think that was over the line...We do things so much more differently in censorship as well.
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12 Dec 2012 17:42 #83597 by
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in regards to maneuvering/manipulating...all of the known social skills are valid tools, including niceness,kindness,generosity,aloofness,silence,body language...whether it's for good or bad, manipulation is manipulation...


Yes indeed.

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12 Dec 2012 18:06 #83599 by Jestor
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Khaos wrote: Modified which words? I thought I did good that time!!!:ohmy:


Ah,I really didnt think that was over the line...We do things so much more differently in censorship as well.


Khaos, indeed, different levels of censorship... And not just site to site, but person to person...

Not that you care, I wasnt holding anything against anyone... Ive censored other Admin here as well for language... lol...

Sorta gave me some greif he did!!

Anyway, back on topic...

in regards to maneuvering/manipulating...all of the known social skills are valid tools, including niceness,kindness,generosity,aloofness,silence,body language...whether it's for good or bad, manipulation is manipulation...


Agree as well...

I have manipulated many for what I thought was a greater good...

SO, William and Khaos...

What would you say makes you dark?

Why would you say that about yourselves, knowing the common misconceptions associated with it?

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Sith ain't Evil...
Jedi ain't Saints....


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12 Dec 2012 19:08 - 12 Dec 2012 19:09 #83609 by
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Lol, im not giving you too much crap about it. I really thought I had done well though.

What would you say makes you dark?

Why would you say that about yourselves, knowing the common misconceptions associated with it?


Well, I would say the misonceptions( in fact I wouldnt call them misconceptions exactly) dont bother except there taken to extremes and absolutes. I cannot live up topreconcieved unrealistic ideals placed upon me as expectations by others being the only valid expression of the Sith/Dark path.

As such I will never be Dark enough for those who are expecting such. I am not the zenith of Darkness in all its forms and aspects, so if that is what is expected I think it will always be a let down. Though if you really want a list of the atrocities(no exaggeration) of which I am capable, ask in a PM. Im sure I would fit the bill as pretty Dark, even by that standard.


Getting that out of the way. What makes me Dark is two things really. A methodology and a resonance.

Firstly, there is the code, the Sith code. Each student usually begins with a long drawn out explaination of each stage of progression(as thats exactly what it is) and is encouraged to whittle it away untill you can explain each stage in one sentence. This is usually comes as one starts to apply, rather than philosophize, or theorize.

Here is where mine is at.

"Peace is a lie, there is only passion."

Not content with my status quo, or the status quo within my sphere(s) of influence..

"Through passion I gain strength."

Gotta gain the abilities and skills to get what I want.

"Though strengh I gain power."

Putting the skills and abilities to work to get what I want.

"Through power I gain victory."

By putting what I gained to work for me,I achieved my goal(s),

"Through victory my chains are broken"

By achieving my goals I free myself from what I was not content with.( of course, there are always more goals)

The Force shall free me.

We all gotta go sometime.

Admittedly, my explanation on the Force is a bit of a cop out, but hey, its really just not an area of study for me.

There is also the call to power. Power is influence in the Sith path,and it is represented by a sphere with the individual at the center(hence spheres of influence) We seek to continually expand that sphere. Lol, I do not have delusions of granduer, I have no dreams of world domination, but expanding my sphere of power, most certainly.

How I use that influence good, bad, etc, is My concern, I do as I see fit.However I cannot change anything without the power to do so.

Still, the fiction is indeed applicable in this to more or lesser degrees depending on ones passion. I would also say be realistic about ones vision.

"You must begin by gaining power over yourself; then another; then a group, an order, a world, a species, a group of species… finally, the galaxy itself." ―Darth Plagueis


Then there are the means, and ends, and I am definitely focused on results. How I (or anyone) get those results pale in my mind(for the most part) then that you get them. So, by hook or by crook as they say...( and yes, that condones lying, cheating, secrecy,etc) Anything less than achievment is an excuse, and hence, unacceptable.

Failure, is not ok.

I think ive already gone into the value of conflict, but it cannot be stressed enough. It is very much the heartbeat that drives the dark path.

Competition,envy,desire, are encouraged. Always to want more for yourself, to want to be better(better financially, physically, etc, this is in accordance to ones personal passions) than others(lol, but of course, this is dependent upon the focus of your passion), to achieve more.

If conflict is the heartbeat, emotions are the lifeblood, of the Dark path. I wont argue whether or not Jedi use or listen emotions as well, in the Sith path, they are given much more direct focus as tools for understanding, motivation, and meditation.

Spiritual platitudes and feel good philosphies are abbhored. If its not dealing with what your doing this week ,its not work pursuing.

Theres alot more, but I think thats enough for now.

Then there is the resonance.Its like a frequency, one to which I am attuned. Man liken the force to the ocean, and yet, the ocean has alot going on in it, under the waves, undertows, currents, eddies. Even in the vastness of the ocean there are many flows, many ways. Where some would say the Dark path works against the natural flow, a more accurate description would be for them to say the Dark path works against MY natural flow.

You could argue why pick just one, lol, and I would answer, Its the one I like the most. Im fine exploring my little avenue, as it in itself has infinite opportunities of exploration in itself. Lol, I probably wont finish here much less the hole ocean. I leave that to others, if that is there goal.


The resonance is one that can be explained in deeper discussion in PM, as it can get a bit....morbid.
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12 Dec 2012 19:20 - 12 Dec 2012 19:21 #83610 by Br. John
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I'm not clear on some things either Jestor.

If this has already been explained then hit me on the head with a spoon and I'll eat a bug - but I'm not sure what the Dark Path is. As I understand, someone can follow the Dark Path yet not be a Sith. What's the difference between a Sith and a follower?

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12 Dec 2012 19:57 #83612 by Br. John
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Thank you Khaos. How long have you followed this Dark Path and how old are you.

You say "If its not dealing with what your doing this week ,its not work [sic] pursuing." I presume that includes long term endeavors which might take years to realize. Right?

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12 Dec 2012 21:18 #83621 by
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I have a question for you specifically, Khaos. If you don't care about the Force, as you have stated many times it's not something you care to discuss or research, then why call yourself Sith? I get that there can be a "dark path" without the Force as much as there can be a "dark path" within the Force...but if you're kicking out the central focus of the mythos, why stick with the terminology. Why not simply call yourself a Humanist, as that's what it seems like you are?

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12 Dec 2012 22:01 - 12 Dec 2012 22:04 #83625 by
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I don't deny that its there. Nor do I discourage its study. Nor was I always against studying it. However once I reached my understanding of it as parasitic it ceased to be a focus of import for me. Even my energy practices are ones created that either focus on on holding on to the energy I have and to some degree, using parasitic notions from the force. To me, the force represents death, not life. More specificly inert energy, energy that has reached entropy. To me, the force feeds on life. I seek to feed on the force.

Other then refining of the practices that allow that, I give it no further study.

I haven't kicked it out, I simply do not make it the central staple of my path.

Nor would I, or do I, encourage it to be so in anyone else's.
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12 Dec 2012 22:11 #83627 by
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You say "If its not dealing with what your doing this week ,its not work [sic] pursuing." I presume that includes long term endeavors which might take years to realize. Right?


None of my long term goals are without many, many, short term goals. Such building is important for many reasons. I never lose sight of achievement, but I deal with the present short term goal, with an eye on the horizon. The small achievements feed my appetite for that one years off.

So I may mention my long term goal as to why I'm doing something in the present (of course, then it has something to do on what I'm doing this week) , however I wont dwell on discussion about that long term goal.

Such is to get caught up to much in what will/could be and not what is. Then you lose sight of what you need to be doing right now.

I want my dreams to come true, not stay fantasies.

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