Ask a Dark Sider.

You say you are "dark", to someone who has a preconceived notion of what "dark" is, as they have defined it, and they understand it, you have now been 'lumped' into a group that has now excluded "light", you know this...

But, you tell them they are wrong to do so...

Absolutely not. In this case, they would be right. I have said I'm not evil, which even in the fiction the Sith did not see themselves as such. I think to the morally and ethically upright and strict it could be constrewed as such, however that is more a mistake of defining darkness by light...

I am not light at all.

The confusion lies as to what standard and definition I am being held to.

Khaos wrote:

The confusion lies as to what standard and definition I am being held to.

I think you are playing with this topic and using the ambiguity of words to have a little fun with extending the discussion without saying much. I can't take you seriously anymore. Have fun with that. :laugh:

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Have the Sith/Darkies/Dark Siders reached a consensus, that has defined the "dark" path?

Lol, would they say so? No. However rebellion is instinctive in most who choose the path,and they are concerned that a consensus would somehow diminishh there individuality. The more mature of us know this is simply not the case.

I would say that the variations have been exceedingly minor, but we tend to value our history and the work others have done before. In fact the archives are in a word, awe inspiring.

Many jedi seem to confuse evolution, originality, and epihany, with stuff that's just become new to them.

More often then not there just rediscovering something and perhaps given it a shiny new package. This sounds insulting, but I do not mean it that way. In fact it should encourage you all to not have to instinctively rebel and assert how individual you are as if agreeing on a standard or consensus would damage that.

I think you are playing with this topic and using the ambiguity of words to have a little fun with extending the discussion without saying much. I can't take you seriously anymore. Have fun with that

Really? Sorry you feel that way. In fact I have removed the ambiguity, which may chafe, as it does not allow you to use ut anymore. Of which you have been. Of course, this is assuming you know what the word you use means.

Ill have as much fun as I can I promise you that.

Well, I think the point that Jestor is getting at, though, is that we can continue to define and change throughout our whole life.

Jedi is a life long path of self-discovery, not a job to acquire. At least, here anyway at TOTJO. And, people do not come here with the misconception that they are training to be a militant/mystic force. And, if they do, they leave when they realize it is a false assumption to make. And they leave to find another site that will define something for them.

From what I've seen, there are guidelines, and each Training master has something different to offer.

At places like FA and IJRS, clearly define what we want YOU to be once you've finished our program. And, then, it's done... you either agree, disagree, do it, or leave. It's not like it means anything. Just ways. All pathways to walk or not to walk.

Sorry, I was interrupted on my initial post, lost it, then found it, after I rewrote it... I was trying to meld the two... fail, huh?:woohoo:

Sometimes, you ever talk out loud, to reason a problem out? Ask yourself why the person in front of you is moving so low in traffic?

Sometimes I post so I can see my thought process and reexamine what I have said, and think at that moment...

Most of them are rhetorical, sorta posting to keep my thoughts straight...

My initial question of that post was:

Have the Sith/Darkies/Dark Siders reached a consensus, that has defined the "dark" path?

And I just mean in your experience, well, you and William...

However, later in the post, I sort of answered myself, or how I believe the answer is, but nonetheless, I am still curious to your answer...

Ricki wrote:

William" wrote: I'm nice enough until given reason to act otherwise...

Now we are getting somewhere. You use being nice to manipulate people but you don't mean it?

More like, "you mess with the bull, you get the horns" if you ask me...

It would take a life time to see how I define a Jedi...

And who cares how I do?

In a place called TOTJO? Probably more than a couple. Especially if your teaching. And the students aren't totally naive.....

I mean, martial arts takes a lifetime as well...of course, in the beginning there dependent upon my definition to learn. It gives them a solid starting point.

I would think that the point is not what I think for my students, but rather what they think?

I could have it all wrong...

We all have to have a base from which to draw our comparisons in life... I dont want my students to be obedient followers, I want them to be independent thinkers, capable of thoughts independent of mine...

But, they will need a base on which to build, so hopefully, I provide them what they need...

Oh sure, they will develop there own expression eventually, but still, not as a novice.

Exactly...

When I started seeing the angles of each move, the possibilites, the applications, and the circumstances, I knew I had moved beyond the novice stage...

Its why I was ask to teach...

I gotta knack for some things, lol...

Mabye it would take a lifetime to define,but you could tell me what you got so far

Why? are you really interested? :laugh:

So, on the front porch sits Grandpa...

You sit next to Grandpa...

Both just looking out into the world...

Grandpa starts telling you a story... Now, you might listen to be polite, or you might listen to learn... It will depend on the story Grandpa is telling...

Or, you ask Grandpa a question you want the answer to, in which case, you pay close attention, cause this round-about story will get to the point of what you are looking for...

I am not about to prattle on how I think life is... Cause it matters to very few...

Most think they have things figured out, and really dont listen, they wait to speak... And tell you their opinion... They only engage you to show you how smart they are...

SO, if you ask, I respond, but I am not about to bore you with aspects of my life, nor my opinions, if you dont want to know....

Maybe I want to discuss my favorite type of crab meat (dungeness), and you want to talk about breads, then, in my prattling, you would not be interested...

If a person really wants to know, the only have to ask, for then they show a curiosity...

Just like I am asking you and William...

You two are not the first Sith I have ask questions of, but, you are the most forthcoming....

Thank you...

Khaos wrote:

course, this is assuming you know what the word you use means.
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Nice try.

Ill have as much fun as I can I promise you that

Glad I'm right. Thanks.

Khaos wrote:

Ill have as much fun as I can I promise you that.

Damn skippy...

Why so serious....

None of us get out alive at the end of our stories....:woohoo:

hahahha. Yes, this is true.

Well, I think the point that Jestor is getting at, though, is that we can continue to define and change throughout our whole life.

So.....what? Again, why cant you use what you have so far? And if you don't....what are you teaching....lol its just not that hard to understand. So I don't have to repeat myself read what I wrote about martial arts.

Jedi is a life long path of self-discovery, not a job to acquire. At least, here anyway at TOTJO. And, people do not come here with the misconception that they are training to be a militant/mystic force. And, if they do, they leave when they realize it is a false assumption to make.

From what I've seen, there are guidelines, and each Training master has something different to offer.

At places like FA and IJRS, clearly define what we want YOU to be once you've finished our program. And, then, it's done... you either agree, disagree, do it, or leave. It's not like it means anything. Just ways. All pathways to walk or not to walk.

*sigh* No wonder it doesn't mean anything to you. As with most things you get what you put in, and I see no evidence to the fact that you have.

Easier to say something doesn't have meaning when you've given none to it.

Palpatine -"This is what you offer me? The tenets of some arcane cult? "

Plagueis -"The test of its value is whether you can live by it Palpatine. "

But really I don't expect you to understand. Nor anyone here. The need to be you, and your confusion with what it is to be an individual, is not something I can or need to fix, I'm just answering the questions.