Ask a Dark Sider.

Jestor wrote: Hello William...

I know you are not THE word in Sith lore, but let me ask this...

I was talking with someone recently, and we discussed the manner in which the majority of Sith seem to interact...

Does being Sith mean a removal of manners and initial respect when dealing with others?

No, not at all. To quote the Thelemic Order, "Do as thou wilt". We do as we will. Those of us who aren't polite or mannerful are just people who aren't polite or mannerful. Where we differentiate as an Order is that we don't enforce social protocols on ourselves or others. I speak and type respectfully because that's how I operate. How the rest of the Orders choose to act is up to them. My master is direct and takes no bullsith from me.

We don't play little games or enforce deceptive platitudes on ourselves.
just how I see it anyway.

Rickie wrote:
I don't see how that is dark? Self-centered but not dark. Come on you're a nice guy arn't you? Why deni it?

I'm nice enough until given reason to act otherwise...

Khaos wrote:

Dark is such a... loosey goosey term sometimes.

I mean, there's so much of it, it can mean a lot of things.

Only if you arent working on the definition.

People, prefer loosey goosey terms most times these days.

Dark isnt the only term. Jedi is another one....and on, and on..People hardly know what anybody is talking about because anything can mean anything.

Most dont like definitions because if they were held to them they couldnt pretend they know what there talking about then,and others wouldnt have to tolerate such nonsense as they do, or see it encouraged by other who hide there own lack of substance by enabling it in others.

If you are, "working a definition", to me this is a removal of what a "something" is not, and a solidification of what it is....

For our conversation, are we in agreement here? Just asking for clarity...

When a certain member joined here, the inevitable discussion came about on "color" (light/dark/grey)....

Have the Sith/Darkies/Dark Siders reached a consensus, that has defined the "dark" path?

When you Khaos, or you William, or Discorder, or whoever, even Alethea, or (Andy maybe?) define yourselves, you begin describing your 'self'... Do you include Sith or Jedi (respectively).... I dont, unless it comes up in further discussion, as the new person strives to know me, to define me... lol...

You will notice here, this question is aimed at those that choose a "color", or side... Most of TOTJO, will say they are neither, or both, and thus placing themselves in the "grey" area...

Lets just focus on the "dark"... Since we are in the "Ask a Darksider" thread...

You say you are "dark", to someone who has a preconceived notion of what "dark" is, as they have defined it, and they understand it, you have now been 'lumped' into a group that has now excluded "light", you know this...

But, you tell them they are wrong to do so... For William, and Khaos, and all who follow the "dark" path, all have a different idea of exactly what that entails...

I define myself as "Jestor", for this totally encloses myself... Few who know me by any other description, know me as well as I am described upon this web pages... But, this was said to be too "vague"...

When I deem it as the most individualistic of definitions for there can be nothing as defined as me...

Now, of course, questions are needed to see where I stand on issues, so that others might define me... Ask me all the right questions, I might sound light, ask me a different set, I might sound dark... The more questions I answer, the better another might define me to their satisfaction... I would seem to slide up and down a scale, some questions making me appear to lean to the dark side, as the recent suicide thread might, or toward the light, as other threads have...

I choose "Jedi" as a part of my definition, but, upon these pages, it has been questioned, as I do not agree with the definition that Br. John has, or Andy, or War Beauty, 100% down the line...

I would prefer no "designation" such as this, but, "working the definition" of myself, and to convey a message to those who do not know me upon an initial contact, it is a more understood term than say Sith, for as has been said upon these pages, in this thread, Sith does not mean "evil"...

But how much of me have they really gotten to know? You, Khaos, might ask me questions that would reveal my darker side... Dear Alethea might ask me questions that show my light side...

Which is more me?

Both... lol...

Connor-

I disagree. There is an entire system built upon teaching people how to live these paths. So you can, in a way, show someone what a Jedi is. They just don't have the patience to undergo what it takes to show them.

Alethea Thompson wrote: Connor-

I disagree. There is an entire system built upon teaching people how to live these paths. So you can, in a way, show someone what a Jedi is. They just don't have the patience to undergo what it takes to show them.

It would take a life time to see how I define a Jedi...

And who cares how I do?

Lets live Now...

There is no dark side. :silly:

Jestor wrote:

Alethea Thompson wrote: Connor-

I disagree. There is an entire system built upon teaching people how to live these paths. So you can, in a way, show someone what a Jedi is. They just don't have the patience to undergo what it takes to show them.

It would take a life time to see how I define a Jedi...

And who cares how I do?

Lets live Now...

Pretty much my thoughts, too.

It's a matter of extreems.

I'm nice enough until given reason to act otherwise...[/quote]

Now we are getting somewhere. You use being nice to manipulate people but you don't mean it?

Jestor, you said there was a question in your post and there seemed to be several....but I'm still not sure what your asking. So could you perhaps ask it more plainly? Mabye I'm a couple of sentences.

Not sure what your getting at.

It would take a life time to see how I define a Jedi...

And who cares how I do?

In a place called TOTJO? Probably more than a couple. Especially if your teaching. And the students aren't totally naive....

I wonder how such a response would fly in my dojo..... I mean, martial arts takes a lifetime of exploration as well...of course, in the beginning there dependent upon my definition to learn. It gives them a solid starting point. Oh sure, they will develop there own expression eventually, but still, not as a novice.

Mabye it would take a lifetime to define,but you could tell me what you got so far. Unless you haven't actually been doing anythingto discover such. I mean, it is one of the more convenient excuse /platitudes.

Such responses should be a clear red flag.