Internet Hate 2...and How To Rise Above

Khaos, I apologize if it appeared as an attack. It was certainly not meant to sound that way. Hitler and the Jews is simply the best example of hatred I can think of at the moment.

I am trying to determine how hatred from anyone can directly cause strength. Even the act of finding one's strength from that hatred is still internal strength that would have been there with or without the hatred. She may not be as successful or well known as she is without that first video...but does that justify it in your mind?

yes, thankyou wendaline I was just looking for clarification.

Of course wescli, what none of us want is a civil breakdown. But it seems you have it under control allready

My point was that a single person or entire group of people can not be found guilty of everything and a single thing respectively. So when there is a problem and one person is at the center of it, they cannot be blamed for everything. And everybody else cannot be blamed for a single thing.

The rule of two springs to mind...

I can see no-one can think of a smart answer to what I have said.

I'm well aware of the argument techniques and lieing abilities that are used in the face of danger, that people are trained in here.

Mabey that's not all that being a Jedi is about, hmm?

Even claiming ignorance is used. Doesn't strike me as very Jedi like, to me.

Jackofalltrades wrote: I can see no-one can think of a smart answer to what I have said.

You only posted it three hours ago and all but one of the repeat post-ers in this thread are currently offline. Give them a chance to read your post and reply...which means give them a lot longer than three hours.

And even then...if no-one ever replies to your penultimate post, does it really matter? All conversations have to end sometime...and we have to accept that sometimes things get left on an unresolved note...

Jackofalltrades wrote: I'm well aware of the argument techniques and lieing abilities that are used in the face of danger, that people are trained in here.

Mabey that's not all that being a Jedi is about, hmm?

Even claiming ignorance is used. Doesn't strike me as very Jedi like, to me.

I've been here a little while and achieved the rank of Knight and I have not yet received any training in argument techniques, lying, or claiming ignorance.

Everyone replies in their own individual way, and for some people that will involve asking more questions than airing personal views...that isn't feigning ignorance, simply encouraging others to think about and explain their views more fully...

There is nothing un-Jedi-like about that.


As I said...give people a chance to think about things and reply. Making accusations about supposed underhand techniques that people are using might make people less likely to want to reply...when a conversation gets personal and accusatory some people will inevitably think "Why should I bother replying if my efforts will simply be insulted?"

Ah ok, so if I don't understand what you have said then the soloution is for you to think about it more?

It's really obvious V-Tog, and you don't know how much is at stake. Mabey it's becuase I don't aggree and give a (smile) so often, with a sense of comeradery, and a pat on the back. But hey, I'm an edjucated guy, and I don't get interested at alot of bantering at an onlookers expence.

Becuase that's how you treat us new people, when we actually say what we mean. I have records of threads here that show you and other high ranking members literally riping the absolute piss simply because it is inconviniant for you to agree with me.

I understand that if I was to say something that was infact WRONG then ofcourse you would be obliged to put me right, yes, becuase I don't know you that well.

But this is the complete oposite. It's totally obvious that alot of the members here literally have no scrupels whatsoever, and have done things in the past they simply want to protect themselves over, so thay jump down the throat of anyone who is inteligent enough to make them think about such things.

Khaos wrote: In truth, she should thank those "haters".

Strength comes through resistence and adversity.

The fact that you even know she exists is in direct correlation to what shes endured.

She wouldn't be who she is without it. Inspiring noone and changing nothing.

She should thank them everyday for giving her purpose.

As the "haters" have always done for the mediocre.

That approach has limited practical application in my experience, for that strength can be developed through resistence and adversity, it is not the same as saying strength is the result of resistence and adversity. It is a result, and it alone doesnt justify forcing it upon others. Another result of resistence and adversity is destruction, another result is rebellion and revenge etc, but importantly it was unsolicited and mostly out of the victims control. So something not caused by the victim, and not controlled by the victim would then result in something that the victim even wanted, let alone enough to thank them daily would be a very rare occurance, with it being much more likely that the result will be unwanted and counterproductive effects which under a best case scenario might result in survival and increases in strength.

Though it seems common for people who have survived severe hardship to thankfully accept their experience, but this is generally part of the survival strategy which allowed them to survive and I've never heard any of them say they wished it on another person which to me indicates if they had a real choice, they would have rather not gone through it.

The reality to me seems that internet hate/rs are just people who are looking for a cheap thrill by feeling like they belong within a pack mentality of picking on the most vulnerable to that pack's activity.

Jackofalltrades wrote: Becuase that's how you treat us new people, when we actually say what we mean. I have records of threads here that show you and other high ranking members literally riping the absolute piss simply because it is inconviniant for you to agree with me.

I would 100% genuinely like to see these threads in which I have 'ripped the absolute piss'.

I am horrified that you would make such an accusation. Not horrified as in you shouldn't have said it - horrified to think that I may have come across in such a way.

Please PM me links to these posts that you have kept record of so that I can see in what way I was rude and unfair and apologise if necessary.

Just a sidenote - it sounds as though you feel as though this happens often. If you feel that someone responds inappropriately to you in future, you can report the post by clicking 'report to moderator'. I am the moderator of course...but if you don't trust me, you can always report them to someone else via PM.

Jackofalltrades wrote: that's how you treat us new people, when we actually say what we mean

You know...in the grand scheme of things it was not so long ago that I was new. I have always tended to air my views quite strongly here, and no-one ever treated me in the way you describe.


Okay...let's get this thread back on track. All I was really saying was...be patient. Give everyone time to reply before you attack them for not doing so.

V-Tog wrote:

Jackofalltrades wrote: I can see no-one can think of a smart answer to what I have said.

You only posted it three hours ago and all but one of the repeat post-ers in this thread are currently offline. Give them a chance to read your post and reply...which means give them a lot longer than three hours.

I am logged in pretty much 24/7, mainly because my computer doesn't get shutdown unless there is a heavy storm. That does not mean that I am always in front of my computer screen though.

V-Tog wrote:

Jackofalltrades wrote: I'm well aware of the argument techniques and lieing abilities that are used in the face of danger, that people are trained in here.

Mabey that's not all that being a Jedi is about, hmm?

Even claiming ignorance is used. Doesn't strike me as very Jedi like, to me.

I've been here a little while and achieved the rank of Knight and I have not yet received any training in argument techniques, lying, or claiming ignorance.

Everyone replies in their own individual way, and for some people that will involve asking more questions than airing personal views...that isn't feigning ignorance, simply encouraging others to think about and explain their views more fully...

There is nothing un-Jedi-like about that.


As I said...give people a chance to think about things and reply. Making accusations about supposed underhand techniques that people are using might make people less likely to want to reply...when a conversation gets personal and accusatory some people will inevitably think "Why should I bother replying if my efforts will simply be insulted?"

Like V, I am at a loss trying to determine what techniques or training you are referring to Jack.

After reading this post...

Jackofalltrades wrote: My point was that a single person or entire group of people can not be found guilty of everything and a single thing respectively. So when there is a problem and one person is at the center of it, they cannot be blamed for everything. And everybody else cannot be blamed for a single thing.

The rule of two springs to mind...

I am still unsure as to what you are trying to say. Let me be more direct with my questions to try and get a better understanding though.

1. In what way is one person being blamed for "everything"?
2. What do you mean by "everything"?
3. In what way is everyone being blamed for something?

I am assuming when you mention "your point" that it is in regards to this statement...

Jackofalltrades wrote: I can be ugly inside and out? She is looked apon as a good person, who by?

The world has no capabilty to hate her. She is part of the world. I don't understand people that like to seperate themselves from all others, wether loved, hated or being a "good" person...

The closest thing I can get to understanding what you are trying to say (at least in regards to my third question) is that...

The world can not be blamed for hating her, as stated when you say "everyone else can not be blamed for a single thing", because she is a part of the world.

Am I close or can anyone else help me fill in what I am not understanding?

ok, I'll search out the link. I don't want this to be another banter. To be honest, I'm more than a little bit upset V-Tog. You're like, a knight now or more, am I right?

And I have been studying for my Cisco Certified Network Associate (CCNA). And even offered my data networking services to ren for damned free. So add those two things up and you get the fact that I haven't done any of the initiates program.

Also, wrote all of my notes for my CCNA in a Star Wars Moleskin note pad, way before I even knew about any of you, or this temple. Can anyone see a connection here?

This is all I've got to say. Let me look for the link.

No resticion, that is not what I mean.

What you've got to understand is that when there is this kind of bullying that has happened to her, there is ego involved. The fact is that when people bully someone, the people feel the need to claim that the person they are bullying literally has not one single good quality, that is the nature of hate, and for that reason they feel the need to place all the blame on the person they are bullying. Belive me I've experienced it first hand. As an onlooker, and also directed at me.

Also, as I think is the case with this woman. The person being bullied feels the need to blame a single act on the entire group, which is entirely untrue. And it also makes her loose faith in, quite honestly quite alot of the people who were present who actually had something quite cool (opestite of hate?) to say to her. Things that projected more of an ordinary, but usefull view of the situation.

This is all I meant. I've you don't understand it then. well go back to studying.