Internet Hate 2...and How To Rise Above
04 Nov 2012 02:42 #79327
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This video was a repost of the original which was entitled "The World's Ugliest Woman".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93Vfv4BUoaY
This video was her response.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZQrnXUoWI8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93Vfv4BUoaY
This video was her response.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZQrnXUoWI8
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04 Nov 2012 08:05 #79347
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Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies.
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Seems related to the other thread. It is my opinion people should not be discriminated against on the grounds of physical features they didn't choose.
Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies.
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04 Nov 2012 10:12 #79358
by Alexandre Orion
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Any discussion about 'hate' is related to any other discussion about 'hate'. Stands to reason. What stands against reason is that, just as with many other testimonies about the effects of discrimination, we tend to moralise. This may not be the best measure, for moralising has the effect of breeding hypocrisy. One desires to be seen by others as moral, just, egalitarian ... whether one really and truly feels that way or not.
There again, just as with any other behaviour, the internet affords one the anonymity to indulge oneself in what one would not want to be seen doing in society. The illusions are multiple : first, that 'people' on the internet are not 'people' at all, but just images, another sort of icĂ´ne, a 'username', an avatar, & cetera. Unfortunately, we can see this even in the off-line world, whereas people are not really regarded as other living, feeling, experiencing beings just like ourselves, but as details of the environment, to be appreciated or ignored. Or, in the worse case, abused as we abuse the environment.
The second deceitful illusion is that of the anonymity, and this deception is two-fold. In primo, hate is catagorically a manifestation of fear. Fear of the perceived injury to our cleverly crafted self-image that would be inflicted by seeing someone that we choose (or have been taught to choose) to view as 'other' than oneself ; fear that others may see and compare us to the victim of the hatred - and all engaged in it are experiencing this same fear. Spreading fear/hate on the Internet, though seemingly safely done from behind the screen, makes it more visible to more and more people than a 'random act of spleen' would be in person. And if it is not removed by someone (an adminstrator, for example), it stays there for a really, really long time ...
But - hence the second deception - one cannot be anonymous to oneself. As human beings, we are naturally empathic. We feel one anothers' pain acutely. This makes us desire to be as moral as we seek to appear to others. So, though the fear in us makes us behave horribly toward one another frequently and then use all sorts of justifications and reasons to hide from our own cowardliness - it doesn't clean up the conscience very well.
I guess the point I'm trying to make here is that whether it be in the Internet or in one's own kitchen, hate/fear begins and ends with self, no matter how ghastly one's behaviour is toward someone else. It is the clearest display of how suffering breeds suffering - a vicious cycle that perpetuates itself among people but also within the individual. The remedy for this is simply to allow oneself to feel our natural empathy and altruism, without resorting to the artifice of morality.
There again, just as with any other behaviour, the internet affords one the anonymity to indulge oneself in what one would not want to be seen doing in society. The illusions are multiple : first, that 'people' on the internet are not 'people' at all, but just images, another sort of icĂ´ne, a 'username', an avatar, & cetera. Unfortunately, we can see this even in the off-line world, whereas people are not really regarded as other living, feeling, experiencing beings just like ourselves, but as details of the environment, to be appreciated or ignored. Or, in the worse case, abused as we abuse the environment.
The second deceitful illusion is that of the anonymity, and this deception is two-fold. In primo, hate is catagorically a manifestation of fear. Fear of the perceived injury to our cleverly crafted self-image that would be inflicted by seeing someone that we choose (or have been taught to choose) to view as 'other' than oneself ; fear that others may see and compare us to the victim of the hatred - and all engaged in it are experiencing this same fear. Spreading fear/hate on the Internet, though seemingly safely done from behind the screen, makes it more visible to more and more people than a 'random act of spleen' would be in person. And if it is not removed by someone (an adminstrator, for example), it stays there for a really, really long time ...
But - hence the second deception - one cannot be anonymous to oneself. As human beings, we are naturally empathic. We feel one anothers' pain acutely. This makes us desire to be as moral as we seek to appear to others. So, though the fear in us makes us behave horribly toward one another frequently and then use all sorts of justifications and reasons to hide from our own cowardliness - it doesn't clean up the conscience very well.
I guess the point I'm trying to make here is that whether it be in the Internet or in one's own kitchen, hate/fear begins and ends with self, no matter how ghastly one's behaviour is toward someone else. It is the clearest display of how suffering breeds suffering - a vicious cycle that perpetuates itself among people but also within the individual. The remedy for this is simply to allow oneself to feel our natural empathy and altruism, without resorting to the artifice of morality.
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04 Nov 2012 16:20 #79375
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Yeah I've seen some news articles about her story. She seem to be really tough and mellow and I'm glad she has friends and family who also help her handle the ugly remarks about her appearance.
I think most people who attack others in ways like this are just really flawed themselves. "It's not personal" is what a teacher once told my class and I think that's right. It's only personal to the attacker and it really has nothing to do with the one being picked on.
I think most people who attack others in ways like this are just really flawed themselves. "It's not personal" is what a teacher once told my class and I think that's right. It's only personal to the attacker and it really has nothing to do with the one being picked on.
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04 Nov 2012 17:10 #79378
by RyuJin
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Out of darkness, he brings light. Out of hatred, love. Out of dishonor, honor-james allen-
He who has conquered doubt and fear has conquered failure-james allen-
The sword is the key to heaven and hell-Mahomet-
The best won victory is that obtained without shedding blood-Count Katsu-
All men's souls are immortal, only the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine -Socrates-
I'm the best at what I do, what I do ain't pretty-wolverine
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Former Apprentices:Adhara(knight), Zenchi (knight)
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Many bullies are insecure in themselves, or come from abusive homes and bullying gives them a sense of power/controll that they don't have elsewhere...
I come from an abusive childhood, I was bullied at the bus stop, school, playground etc...I grew up with a cocaine addicted abusive stepdad (in later years he changed and was very remorseful)...from experience. I can say that those of us that survive such things develop an inner strength that is unshakable...nothing can be said or done to us to cause harm...sadly not everyone develops this, some spiral downward until they see only one way out...it's apparent that she has this strength, that makes her superior to her detractors in both body and spirit
I come from an abusive childhood, I was bullied at the bus stop, school, playground etc...I grew up with a cocaine addicted abusive stepdad (in later years he changed and was very remorseful)...from experience. I can say that those of us that survive such things develop an inner strength that is unshakable...nothing can be said or done to us to cause harm...sadly not everyone develops this, some spiral downward until they see only one way out...it's apparent that she has this strength, that makes her superior to her detractors in both body and spirit
Warning: Spoiler!
There is passion, yet there is peace
Through passion I gain strength and knowledge
Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
Through passion I gain strength and knowledge
Through strength and knowledge I gain victory
Through victory I gain peace and harmony
Through peace and harmony my chains are broken
There is no death, there is the force and it shall free me
Quotes:
Warning: Spoiler!
Out of darkness, he brings light. Out of hatred, love. Out of dishonor, honor-james allen-
He who has conquered doubt and fear has conquered failure-james allen-
The sword is the key to heaven and hell-Mahomet-
The best won victory is that obtained without shedding blood-Count Katsu-
All men's souls are immortal, only the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine -Socrates-
I'm the best at what I do, what I do ain't pretty-wolverine
J.L.Lawson,Master Knight, M.div, Eastern Studies S.I.G. Advisor (Formerly Known as the Buddhist Rite)
Former Masters: GM Kana Seiko Haruki , Br.John
Current Apprentices: Baru
Former Apprentices:Adhara(knight), Zenchi (knight)
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04 Nov 2012 17:45 #79380
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Great story and good for her! I can only hope to achieve that level of determination and strength one day.
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04 Nov 2012 20:01 #79406
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This is an exemplifying farce. Just like every other hate related debate on the internet, and everywhere else in the world.
Anyone can see she's wearing prosthetics.
Such exeplifying farces are infact to bully (hate) someone else in particular.
It's simply poltics. Left damned wing arguments that anyone can see are exemplifying right wing arguments for reasons based on the one single law that is popular "In the hood"
You all know what I mean...
Anyone can see she's wearing prosthetics.
Such exeplifying farces are infact to bully (hate) someone else in particular.
It's simply poltics. Left damned wing arguments that anyone can see are exemplifying right wing arguments for reasons based on the one single law that is popular "In the hood"
You all know what I mean...
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04 Nov 2012 20:21 #79408
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For those of you who know what I mean (all of you.) But want me to say it. Get this: I'm not going to.
The only reason that these farces work is becuase no-one in their right mind would incriminate themeselves over something like this. It's simply not worth it.
For ren's AI bot on his server, which is naive in a lovely way, I'll hint on the point.
The only law that is not popular in the hood is the hipocratic oath:
First do no harm...
Doctors take this.
And people who are applying to be a systems analyst are tested on wether they would litterally take the root, or main wheel out of a system. The root or main wheel in a good system is undinyably embarrissing for people to talk about...
get this...
The only reason that these farces work is becuase no-one in their right mind would incriminate themeselves over something like this. It's simply not worth it.
For ren's AI bot on his server, which is naive in a lovely way, I'll hint on the point.
The only law that is not popular in the hood is the hipocratic oath:
First do no harm...
Doctors take this.
And people who are applying to be a systems analyst are tested on wether they would litterally take the root, or main wheel out of a system. The root or main wheel in a good system is undinyably embarrissing for people to talk about...
get this...
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04 Nov 2012 22:18 #79423
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Jackofalltrades...could you possibly rephase...all of that...because after reading it 6 times, I still have no idea what you are talking about.
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04 Nov 2012 23:34 #79433
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Jackofalltrades wrote: Anyone can see she's wearing prosthetics.quote]
Huh?
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