Internet Hate 2...and How To Rise Above

think that she is wearing a mask for everyone to see.

Thats not a mask...Lol, too soon?

I am willing to bet that if given a real opportunity to never carry the affliction that gave her all of this “strength” she would take it… weeping.

Theres to many ifs in that sentence for it to matter.

But if hatred can have a varying effect on the person (even just to fold or become stronger) then it is not the hatred that causes strength but the inner determination of the person being hated. But even their strength comes at a price when it comes from hatred. She may have gained strength from their hatred but I believe that she gained more strength from her family, friends and even from the random people who offered her kindness.


If you eat a bowl of chili the spiciness can taste pretty good. But it needs some non-spicy ingredients to make it taste better. If there is too much heat you might burn your tongue. Same is true here. If all she had ever gotten in her whole life was hatred, she would feel nothing but pain and would be unlikely to find the strength to continue. But I believe the soothing kindness that came with the hatred was what she held on to and used to become stronger

You cant have a fire without several things coming together. Of course inner dtermination is important, but still, wood doesnt burn without a catalyst, and friction and resisitence are important. So while yes I expect she recieved kindness,and possessed inner dtermination that does not rule out or negate the hatred and its role.

I most certainly would. If there was no hatred in the world then how could that past hate help her potential? What impact would she have if hate did not exist?

Far less, indeed, and thats my point

It is possible she could find a different purpose in life that would allow her to always be happy. Is it better to hate and say it's OK because without it how would they help stop future hate? Or to work towards a future where no one ever feels hatred by just not hating?

I prefer the second option.

And I do not prefer it, and not just because its a fantasy. As Jestor said...

When we all think the same, no one thinks very much."...

I have to say though, im astounded by your selfishness.

That's not right Jestor. It doesn't take much to make a fire. Just a bit of wood, srike a light and there you are.

And also, I don't think inner determination would very much help me light a fire. Mabey if I jusst stand there over the wood and think really hard about it lighting, in like a half bow from the certer of my body, it might help. but I doubt it...

You belive that hatred has healing properties on the person it is directed at?

True, her future would have been different (who knows how much) if her past had been, but that doesn't make it okay to pick on people. It happens, it will happen until the human race dies, but that doesn't make it right. Unless you look at it from a detached point, but then what really matters then? I'd say nothing...apathy is kind of boring.

Lol, and I never said anything made anything right,and I am in fact speaking about a direct opposition to apathy.

Maybe you should thank her for her contribution to society. If we thank the reason that the good did good, then shouldn't we also thank the ones who actually did the good?

I didnt say we shouldnt. Still, one can be greatful for the pain as much as the pleasure in life, or the good and the bad.

Never said it made them weak. I said they're not growing stronger from it. And they may inadvertently better the world around them by pushing the bullied people into action, but they also destroy others. So, really it's a wash and they don't end up bettering society.

Well, thats certainly a negative view, and really, you dont know if it doesnt make them stronger. Not everyone gets stronger the same way. Really, its only a wash because you get your panties in a twist over bullies apparently,and are unable to give credit where it is due.

people can and still do great things without having to endure great pain.

If you say so.

still doesn't mean I have to like cruelty.

Of course not, but it doesnt mean that I have to not like it either.

You belive that hatred has healing properties on the person it is directed at?

Not at all. It can have motivational properties for sure though, on both sides.

It doesn't take much to make a fire. Just a bit of wood, srike a light and there you are.

actually you need oxygen as well,and usually an accelerant.

Khaos wrote:

I most certainly would. If there was no hatred in the world then how could that past hate help her potential? What impact would she have if hate did not exist?

Far less, indeed, and thats my point

And why is less impact on the world a bad thing? Many people today try to have less of an impact on the planet by reducing their carbon footprint...is that a bad thing too?

Khaos wrote:

It is possible she could find a different purpose in life that would allow her to always be happy. Is it better to hate and say it's OK because without it how would they help stop future hate? Or to work towards a future where no one ever feels hatred by just not hating?

I prefer the second option.

And I do not prefer it, and not just because its a fantasy. As Jestor said...

When we all think the same, no one thinks very much."...

I have to say though, im astounded by your selfishness.

I never said you had to, only that I do. It may be a fantasy but it is one I hope would happen all the same.

I don't want people to think less...just do less without thought. While you may put forth a valid and thoughtful response towards why you believe hatred can be a good thing, how many people do you think actually consider all of that before speaking?

My "selfish" desires are my own. I believe as I believe until I no longer believe. This belief of mine may change or not, but until then I am who I am and I simply state what I believe.

Lol, and I never said anything made anything right,and I am in fact speaking about a direct opposition to apathy.

I can admire that some people embrace pain or hardship and make it their own. I can also see there's a place for it in our world right now, but I can also admire those who want to see a world with less strife. Not all hardships make people better...nor does all help. But (and I'm not saying you have to do this too) I'd rather give a stranger a compliment then smack 'em upside the head. You can learn from both, but from experience I'd say the compliment would have a better effect.

As for apathy, if we're going the opposite direction are we headed towards sadism? Are we treating cruelty like fire (with respect) or are we celebrating it?

I didnt say we shouldnt. Still, one can be greatful for the pain as much as the pleasure in life, or the good and the bad.

True, true. However, I bet a lot depends on circumstance. There's many examples of where the bad has destroyed lives. I guess it's that whole fine line type of a thing.

If you say so.

I do.

Of course not, but it doesnt mean that I have to not like it either.

Well of course. That's what's great about our minds. We have the freedom to think whatever we want.

Oh, and as for my panties. Bullies and this discussion have no effect what so ever. lol But good job trying to upset me. :laugh: Though now it makes me wonder just how right I was about cruelty not really helping society...if it got you upset enough to lash out, that is. Did it help you at all?

Jackofalltrades wrote:
So let me get this strait. There is no such thing as right. we are all right becuase we are not buddhist. wikapedia is right becuase it says that if I lack the facts about something them I am automaticaly ignorant, thus not being right. Anyone with the facts is also not right becuase they are not right because there is no such thing as right.

Well, ignorant doesnt mean wrong (synonym of "not being right"), it says uninformed...

It is used as an insult, but, when you look at the definition, it really means you dont know...

No knowing how to juggle makes one igorant of juggling, not "wrong", it simply means that the person in question has not bothered, or not found it interesting enough to concern themselves with it...

They are simply uninformed...

Tell me. what part of my body (life) is a perception? Is perception simply a sign to you that things are not right simply becuase they have been percived?

Your whole life is your perception... We can look at the same picture and pic out different important objects... But, because you pick a different object out of the picture doesnt mean you are wrong, simply that I think the inportant object is a different object...

I get the feeling that you would add more to this, like: The people who know the facts are infact less right becuase we like people who agree with the facts that are talked about within our subject/community.

lol, "those who think they know, dont know.... Those who think they know, know..."

What part of buddhism is not right? Even tho you say there is no such thing as right, so I don't think that it has much chance at being right! in you perception that is...

I dont know what part is "not right", for I am ignorant of Buddhism... ...lol...

If the philosophy was right for me, I would have been interested in it when it was first within my scope and perception of life...

Which it was interesting, but I never found the "niche" that made me want to learn more...

Maybe it wasnt the right timing...

"All things in their right time, and in their right place"