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13 Jun 2018 23:10 #322932 by Carlos.Martinez3
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I’ve hear this (read) phrase several times .
What does “ Jedi up “mean to you ?
I know I use it very difrently than posted and intended . Even the word “savy” . I use savy as like a -replacemt for - the phrase ya know ? I’ve heard some get offended at the use and even Jedi up.
So I ask the General population - how do you use it - what do you mean by Jedi up?
Just wondering Temple !

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13 Jun 2018 23:27 #322933 by Nakis
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I'm unfond of it as it's a non-informative way to indicate the other person does not meet the speaker's perception as to what a Jedi is.

I understand the intent, similar to man up, but that phrase also encourages toxic masculinity in that you have to be strong all the time and to disregard your feelings or thoughts on a matter to make the speaker think you are a man.

TL;DR: If you have time to say "jedi up" you also have the time to type out ways someone could improve their perception or attitude without the proverbial like/dislike button.

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13 Jun 2018 23:29 #322934 by Rosalyn J
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I'm with Nakis.

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13 Jun 2018 23:45 #322936 by Arisaig
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Nakis wrote: TL;DR: If you have time to say "jedi up" you also have the time to type out ways someone could improve their perception or attitude without the proverbial like/dislike button.


I've always made the assumption that a person should know what it means to them, like when someone says "Grow up/act your age/ext". Its essentially a reminder of what you are and what you could/should be. Solid advice can be given to those that have yet to get there to begin with, but for those that have been there before, it is a call to return to such a place. It becomes a wake up call. ;P

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13 Jun 2018 23:50 #322937 by Rosalyn J
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Arisaig wrote:

Nakis wrote: TL;DR: If you have time to say "jedi up" you also have the time to type out ways someone could improve their perception or attitude without the proverbial like/dislike button.


I've always made the assumption that a person should know what it means to them, like when someone says "Grow up/act your age/ext". Its essentially a reminder of what you are and what you could/should be. Solid advice can be given to those that have yet to get there to begin with, but for those that have been there before, it is a call to return to such a place. It becomes a wake up call. ;P


Historically, one has to wonder how helpful those "wake up" calls are.
Rather than go with "they as helpful as the person makes them/lets them be". Can we answer a bit differently

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14 Jun 2018 00:15 #322938 by Athena_Undomiel
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Just wondering if that is any different than a man calling a boy "sissy" or telling him to "not act like such a girl"....seems to me that using Jediism in that manner makes it toxic.

Is there such a thing as toxic jediism??
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14 Jun 2018 00:20 - 14 Jun 2018 00:21 #322939 by Carlos.Martinez3
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.... wow ....
that’s a can of worms there ...
I tend to use - return - the word “return “ implies nothing on subject but soley - to the individuals choice how and where - strictly to them. Is Jedi up a good term or can it be used as a good term?
I see Ari-s idea of return to your idea—- but I can also see how it can be taken the wrong way so easily . Any alternatives ?

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14 Jun 2018 00:25 #322941 by Rosalyn J
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Athena_Undomiel wrote: Just wondering if that is any different than a man calling a boy "sissy" or telling him to "not act like such a girl"....seems to me that using Jediism in that manner makes it toxic.

Is there such a thing as toxic jediism??


There could be.

Consider not only what the receiver takes it to mean, but also the intent

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14 Jun 2018 00:51 - 14 Jun 2018 00:52 #322944 by Adder
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Something motivational can often be used to critique. I reckon the difference between the two is part the nature of the relationship between the two people, and the intent of the person saying it.
So yea, the intent is my concern.... because its one of those things which can work when used properly but most easily is not used properly. Such that some see it being used in an acceptable way (to those involved) that it can translate across to misuse easily in different circumstances.
To me it always sounded like 'shields up', such that it was part of the retinue of tools to assist in 'focus' on ones path - but that was in the parlance of it being used in a joint environment where the understandings existed to the extent of what was expected among what was happening and what was really happening among the people using it. I think the term 'trusted' relationship is too strong, but some hybrid of close relationship and working relationship, where purpose and awareness of those invovled enables a freedom to express more energetic language without it being misintepreted. But in comparison, used in the wild without that relationship - the intent becomes unclear, and therefore can fairly expected to be taken out of the intended meaning. So it probably falls aside under that 'practice empathy and perspective taking' as an offhand remark IMO.

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14 Jun 2018 01:15 #322947 by Proteus
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I think if you're someone who likes the more straightforward and simple image and idea of being a jedi with many of the predictable traits that would commonly entail (like using the doctrine at your every opportunity, posting pics of yourself in robes swinging a lightsaber, and telling the community vigorously about how amazing you are at meditation and pumping iron this week and waving your warrior label to make sure everyone knows it), then the term "Jedi up" likely would be in one's accepted nomenclature.

But I think there are many in the community who don't feel that way about being a Jedi, so while, for instance, I understand it's intention to be... motivational... it tends to come off as a shallow phrase meant to dictate to someone that they should be how you think they should be (as if the dictator really knew).

This is one of many other nuances that have come out of the more radical crowd of the general community over the past several years, a product of "Jedi Pride". It can be good for those who adopt it for themselves and use it on themselves, but I'm lead to believe that most don't understand this, that when we wave our "Jedi path" in others' faces, we've kind of damaged the integrity of it.

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