noun: religion

Brenna wrote:

Khaos wrote: Lol, and so its pretty much meanlingless, if all that one needs to become a Jedi is say so. Haha, who knows what type of people you have made your "peers". Yet I imagine in day to day life you would pick those you know with a bit more of a discerning eye.

Apparently the internet is not condusive to mindfulness, common sense, or quality control.

Unity born of apathy is a fairly sad way to go about it though.

Of course the lable of Jedi is meaningless. Its just a word. One picked because of its "this is kinda sorta more or less what I mean" quality. And it will forever be meaningless to you unless you dig deeper than the surface of it. I notice that you are still a guest here...

Quality control? We have around 3000 people who join this community in a year (based on 2012 annual report) and less than 50 who are ranked as Knight or above. And not every person who is apprenticed becomes a knight.

Those who actually put in the effort get to know their "peers" pretty well, and many of them are outstanding people of great character and value.

Perhaps you should consider getting to know us a little better before presuming to know us.

I don't think the quality control was directed at knighthood lol. Tell me to shut up if I misinterpreted you, Khaos. It looked like you directed it at "jedi" as a whole.

sidvkili wrote:

Brenna wrote:

Khaos wrote: Lol, and so its pretty much meanlingless, if all that one needs to become a Jedi is say so. Haha, who knows what type of people you have made your "peers". Yet I imagine in day to day life you would pick those you know with a bit more of a discerning eye.

Apparently the internet is not condusive to mindfulness, common sense, or quality control.

Unity born of apathy is a fairly sad way to go about it though.

Of course the lable of Jedi is meaningless. Its just a word. One picked because of its "this is kinda sorta more or less what I mean" quality. And it will forever be meaningless to you unless you dig deeper than the surface of it. I notice that you are still a guest here...

Quality control? We have around 3000 people who join this community in a year (based on 2012 annual report) and less than 50 who are ranked as Knight or above. And not every person who is apprenticed becomes a knight.

Those who actually put in the effort get to know their "peers" pretty well, and many of them are outstanding people of great character and value.

Perhaps you should consider getting to know us a little better before presuming to know us.

I don't think the quality control was directed at knighthood lol. Tell me to shut up if I misinterpreted you, Khaos. It looked like you directed it at "jedi" as a whole.

Well what should we do? throw out people we dont think are "jedi" enough? Who gets to decide if they make the cut or not? What if some of the people who come here are just looking for a friendly community or someone who is looking to understand more about us but doesnt actually want to join? How "jedi" would we be if we told them to get lost?

Hi Khaos. It's good to see you around. Are you still running the Sith group at FA?

The FA isnt a Sith group. More an amalgamation of different LHP approaches.

The answer as to whether im running it or not, is no, not for more than a year now.

I do most of my work online at Oots presently.

Of course the lable of Jedi is meaningless. Its just a word. One picked because of its "this is kinda sorta more or less what I mean" quality. And it will forever be meaningless to you unless you dig deeper than the surface of it. I notice that you are still a guest here...

Quality control? We have around 3000 people who join this community in a year (based on 2012 annual report) and less than 50 who are ranked as Knight or above. And not every person who is apprenticed becomes a knight.

Those who actually put in the effort get to know their "peers" pretty well, and many of them are outstanding people of great character and value.

Perhaps you should consider getting to know us a little better before presuming to know us.

I actually hadnt thought about Knighthood yet.

Fact is, only in something like this, could you have the luxury of being so careless.

So then, is it safe to assume that only Knights actually "matter"? Or those who are "putting forth the effort?" The rest are just a nice number to use for marketing?

As I imagine you dont know all 3000, and they could be any sort of character, but can join and claim to be a part of this community, and as such represent it, at least as a number. If they happen to do something less than savory, I imagine more than that.

So, why use them, let them join,etc at all?

As for getting yo know you all a litte better, well, im just a name on a screen according to Jestor, so, what exactly am I supposed to gather in your meaning in getting you a little better? Im not even a person apparently.

What about the quote Richard Irvine made?

Darkness is about the individual?

don't we do the same thing?

First off, Richard himself has said that what people have done with that quote was not what he had intended to get across.

Also, what "we" do is irrelevant.

"We" are not Jedi, are we?

Certainly im not.

Apples and oranges

Though apparently, all you need to do to be one is say so.

So I guess it wouldnt be all that hard to be if I wanted to.

I could be number three thousand and whatever.

Just FYI, I found out during my previous questioning, that there actually is a criteria they use for knighthood here, they just don't make it readily available.

Andy Spalding wrote:

Not a single person has yet to refer to the doctrine, or anything contained therein when speaking to me (or that I observe in discussion), and thus I wonder the worth of said Doctrine...

I wonder the value of being able to quote scripture. A gifted person can quote it to justify almost any action.

How many times in the Christian Bible did Satan quote scripture during the temptation of Christ?

Not a single person has yet to refer to the doctrine, or anything contained therein when speaking to me (or that I observe in discussion), and thus I wonder the worth of said Doctrine...

And because of the people you "spoke to" have not referred to the doctrine, you assume that none of us do and it is useless? If you are indeed making that assumption, you are showing how arrogant and ignorant you are. and unless you yourself talk to those "3000" members, you don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to that.

I follow the doctrine. Most of the doctrine was how I lived my life before I even know this community existed, and will continue to be my way of life long after this community is gone.

What sir, do you follow exactly? And how much do you adhere to it? I would really love to know.

Just like parts of the site are not visible without being logged in, parts of it are not visible to those not an apprentice, knight etc. It's true becoming a member, which is easy, makes one nominally a Jedi (the nominal being understood) but attaining knighthood is a different story in another book.

Khaos wrote:

Right... :lol:

And you seem to think we are not...

I think that is not for you to decide...

As are just internet names to you, so are you to us...

Thats exactly the BS im talking about.

Thanks for making my point.

Your more concerned about staying ambiguous than actually having a conversation.

Its certainly up for me to decide anything I wish, and unlike most here, I am in fact decisive.

Of course, I give you more respect apparently, as I assume there is more than just an internet name involved with those I engage. I imagine there is a somewhat intelligent, sensitive, individual behind that name. A four dimensional(at least) being who is actually engaged on some level. If that is the way you think of those you respond too though, well,then ill keep it in mind.

Though I imagine that attitude has alot to do with the way things are around here, as you dont even treat people as people.

I wouldn't say "indecisive", just open to interpretation...

No, I am not generally dismissive, and I do give you some respect...

More than I'd say you give us...

I don't question your beliefs, however, because mine (ours) are not rigid enough for you (some), you question ours....

If you are set in your ways, happy with your choices, I am happy with you...

You want a straight answer, ask me a point blank question about myself....

The vagueness cone from not wanting to answer for everyone, then someone claiming "but I don't agree with X"....

I apologize, evidently I have hurt your feelings, as you are still playing the "just an internet name".... So consider this a serious, earnest, apology....

I thought you could take away the spirit of what was meant... A little fun ribbing, with a point.... Evidently, you took it literal, and now wish to parade me as a bad person..

I am sorry....

What? Who gets called a Jedi? Who am I to tell you you are not a Jedi? How presumptuous, and elitist of me...

of course the individual... You do not need totjo to call yourself one... Have at it..

All that one gains by joining our organization, is the legal ability to say you are a jedi

Lol, and so its pretty much meanlingless, if all that one needs to become a Jedi is say so. Haha, who knows what type of people you have made your "peers". Yet I imagine in day to day life you would pick those you know with a bit more of a discerning eye.

Apparently the internet is not condusive to mindfulness, common sense, or quality control.

Unity born of apathy is a fairly sad way to go about it though.

Already covered by Brenna, is the fact that the word is meaningless...

Yes, so, why call ourselves Jedi?

Hmmm, cause we want to? And no matter what you say, I say, anyone says, people are going to do as they damn well please...

So, we allow for a place for them to do it as a group...

As I said, anyone can call themselves a Jedi, yet few actually refer to themselves as Knights...

So why confuse people? The general public I mean... Anyone who takes the time to listen, and think about it, will understand....

So, every jedi out there is suspect... Because anyone, (and everyone) is able to claim what they like...

"And why do you call yourself a jedi? What proof do you have?"

"Well, you may contact TOTJO and ask the records person if I am listed as a member."

We don't proclaim to be the only Jedi....

Our Jedi, and Knights, are such, "as defined by TOTJO"....

Anyone can call themselves anything...

We allow folks to join, and call themselves Jedi, yes...

The ones who apply themselves do become Knight, should they desire...