Trans

Whyte Horse wrote: I'm sure there are more people coming out because society is more accepting and that probably accounts for some of the increase. But this will really bend your mind: Is society becoming more accepting of homosexuals because there are more homosexuals or are there more homosexuals because society is more accepting towards them?

That's like saying what came first the chicken or the egg? It can work either way.

Well Abhaya already responded to most of this. I think that you're failing to recognize the difference between sex and gender. When a male dressed as a woman enters a women's restroom or locker-room, cops get called. When a woman dressed as a male enters a men's locker-room she gets hit on, possibly harassed or even raped. Now reverse those and imagine a male dressed as a woman going into a men's locker-room... he'd probably get beat up.

What have you been smoking. As someone who has been using locker rooms every day for half my life, including mixed ones, and that I've known girls in the male locker rooms and boys (including myself) in the girls' locker room, I can tell you that I've never heard of any crime occurring in them ever, except for (suspected)theft. I've never seen the police in there either, and even the super-obvious homosexuals haven't been beaten up.

Also, the last time I checked, it's mostly women who complain about male to female trans (though arguably they're far more numerous than female-to-male)

I can tell you for certain that cops and security get called if someone uses the restroom or locker room that matches their gender rather than their sex. Often cops or security get called even if someone uses the restroom or locker room that they legally belong in (it has happened to me a few times and has also happened to people I know). When you are in spaces that are expected to be mixed, people don't generally look twice. (Unless you're male to female and really don't pass well) But when you are in spaces that are meant to be segregated, all of a sudden everyone is scrutinizing each other. People definitely get beat up in restrooms or locker rooms. Male to female trans people are typically more likely to face violence because there is more stigma surrounding them. Female to male trans people could get called out or shoved a bit, but they don't usually run as high a risk of facing extreme violence.

I don't know that I would say male to female trans people are more numerous. I think they are easier to spot because they often have a harder time passing, hormones don't usually change their voices or appearance as much, and female to males who don't pass as male very well can also often pass as butch lesbians. It makes it seem like there are more male to female trans people around because they are much easier to spot so people see them more often and recognize that they are trans.

Just because someone has never experienced something doesn’t mean it never happens; and just because we experience something doesn’t mean it always happens.

It is important to take into consideration our perspective before we make assumptions.

Not having had an experience does not mean it does not happen.

I don't know that I would say male to female trans people are more numerous.

Statistics show there's three times more male to female than female to male.

Not having had an experience does not mean it does not happen.

True. then again the murder i witnessed and the rape i sort of witnessed weren't anywhere near locker rooms. I've never seen anyone fight in a locker room. Outside, I have. etc.

I've never heard of those statistics. What I have seen is that, because female to male trans people have an easier time blending in, they often do not out themselves. They often do not take part in studies. Sometimes they choose to just live as androgynous or butch lesbians because it is more socially acceptable, so they wouldn't be mentioned in those statistics. Male to female trans people don't have that ability. When someone sees a person that they perceive to be male dressed as a female, they stare and ask questions and commit violence. Male to female trans people do not pass unnoticed, and they often have to have surgery even if their dysphoria is not as bad because not having surgery makes them recognizable, which makes them targets.

I can tell you for certain that bathrooms and locker rooms are unsafe places for trans people. I know many people who have had problems resulting in physical violence, especially in locker rooms.

I can tell you for certain that bathrooms and locker rooms are unsafe places for trans people. I know many people who have had problems resulting in physical violence, especially in locker rooms.

I guess it depends on the community you're a part of.

the statics i read were a bit old to be fair, it may have changed since then. (and obviously it varies a lot depending on the country)

Here's some food: http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/Prevalence/Reports/Prevalence%20of%20Transsexualism.pdf

Transsexualism describes the condition in which an individual identifies with a gender inconsistent or not culturally associated with their assigned sex, i.e. in which a person's assigned sex at birth conflicts with their psychological gender. A medical diagnosis can be made if a person experiences discomfort as a result of a desire to be a member of the opposite sex, or if a person experiences impaired functioning or distress as a result of that gender identification

The most-cited estimates of the prevalence of transsexualism are based on counts of gender reassignments in European clinics many years ago. Observing that reassignments have been in a start-up transient , we extend those results by recalculating prevalence from the accumulating incidence data, taking into account birth, reassignment and death rates and then, based on age-distributions of reassignment data, we determine the inherent number of persons who at some point in life will undergo reassignment. From this reanalysis of those early reports, we determine lower-bounds on the prevalence of the underlying condition of transsexualism to be between 1:1000 and 1:2000, using those reports own data. We then present more recent incidence data and alternative methods for estimating the prevalence of transsexualism, all of which indicate that the lower bound on the prevalence of transsexualism is at least 1:500, and possibly higher.

If I am reading this correctly, the entire estimate was based off actual gender reassignments. What I wonder is how many people never consider getting a reassignment and how it might affect those numbers?

I have known quite a few women that have played the dominate or male role in a relationship. I have also known many lesbian couples where one identified with the opposite sex. One of my friends and I have spent hours talking where she confessed to identifying more with masculine traits and guys in general, but had no desire not to be a woman.

So from my own past experiences and drawing from what I’ve read in different articles, I would feel comfortable concluding that there are probably more men that want to change their sex to female then there are females that want to change their sex to male. But, there may be more females that identify with the male gender.