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Many people don't get a large amount of psychotherapy after SRS, and SRS still works for them. I know people who only had the couple of months of therapy they needed right at the beginning of their transition and none during or after transition, and their SRS worked just as well.

What I really want to see is a controlled study I guess. With comparison between people who believe they have changed sex/gender as a result of SRS and people who believe they have changed sex/gender through an other mean (I guess hypnosis/etc). If the placebo proves as effective as "the cure", it would show it's all nothing but a trick of the mind.

Or it would show that people are easily hypnotized into believing they have eleven fingers and are rock star, so why couldn't you hypnotize them into believing they didn't have dysphoria? Do you suggest we hypnotize all trans people and force them to live their lives in a constant lie? How would that not be dishonest? It would be no different than the ex-gay places that brainwash people into believing they aren't gay.

ren wrote: Does SRS still work without the large amount of psychotherapy they get afterwards?

To me your argument sounds like "the placebo effect works! Let's do more of it!". Which is true, just not something I admire in the human psyche. Similarly, I do not support the insurance coverage of placebos... for the very simple reason people could live very well without them.

Physically, yes...

But at what cost to the Psyche?

Jestor wrote:
Physically, yes...

But at what cost to the Psyche?

In the US, you don't need any psychotherapy afterward, nevermind large amounts. People are just fine without it.

You misunderstand me.
-One group is made to go through SRS, resulting in them believing they have changed gender/sex
-One group does NOT go though SRS, but made to believe they have changed gender/sex (through the hypnosis method).

Compare the groups and if no difference can be found, it shows that the effects of SRS are purely psychological.

First of all, a person going through SRS does not "believe" they have changed sex. They actually have changed sex. That's why it's called a sex change.

Second of all, people have tried extensive therapy. It the majority of cases, it does not work. People have also tried SRS. In the majority of cases, it does work. I'm not sure what other proof you need that SRS works. It improves the quality of life of the people who have surgery.

Your test would still involve getting trans people to sign up to be studied. Since trans people are already stigmatized in society, they don't tend to want to sign up for studies to be treated as test subjects.

The effects of SRS are psychological, but they are clearly also physical. The body is clearly being changed. But the trans person no longer has significant depression, anxiety, etc. So yes, that's psychological, and it's a benefit.

I have no idea what your study would prove except that you can hypnotize people to believe they aren't trans. If they were taken out of hypnosis, they would still be trans. If they were not, they would be living their lives in a constant lie.

ren, while there are few good studies on long term post-surgery efficacy of SRS, even the most actively transphobic groups don't estimate negative out comes any more than 1/5 of the time. Further the few studies that discuss higher rates of suicide and psychiatric care amongst post srs transsexuals are poorly constructed and "lost track" of over half their participants and so their data is heavily skewed. That said, the APA, in a conference examined the instances of anxiety and suicide in the homosexual population in the 1950s through the 2000s to the post operative transsexuals and found that when you controlled for social acceptance SRS left transsexuals at the same rates as the rest of the population. In short, excepting in the small number of transsexuals dissatisfied with their surgeries, srs was shown to dramatically lower anxiety disorders and depression.

As far as your hypnosis option. They've been doing that for years, its called "conversion therapy" and has been shown to dramatically increase suicide and psychiatric commitment of anyone receiving it, whether its being done to "cure" homosexuals or convince trans people we aren't trans.

I have no idea what your study would prove except that you can hypnotize people to believe they aren't trans.

How so? The hypnosis would not involve making people believe they are trans or not, only that they are the sex they want to be. ( a male who wants to become emale would be made to believe that they are female)

If they were taken out of hypnosis, they would still be trans.

true. Then again people are still trans after SRS, and the study isn't about that at all anyway.

First of all, a person going through SRS does not "believe" they have changed sex. They actually have changed sex. That's why it's called a sex change.

The point of the study would be to show whether it is the belief of sex change which removes that "pain" and "horror" some claim trans suffer from, or whether the physical presence of (for example) breast implant removes that pain/horror (purportedly of neurological causes).

As far as your hypnosis option. They've been doing that for years, its called "conversion therapy" and has been shown to dramatically increase suicide and psychiatric commitment of anyone receiving it, whether its being done to "cure" homosexuals or convince trans people we aren't trans.

WILL YOU PEOPLE READ

If you had been part of such a study, you would have been hypnotized to make you believe you were female.