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A question of The Force.
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For some this is true and for others the exact opposite is part of the reasons for faith.
If you need evidence, by all means , seek it out but be carful to assume “everyone” needs evidence.
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If you expect to find material evidence of the immaterial aspects of The Force. Then you have already failed. The ONLY thing you could find using physical testing is its effects on our maternal world.. not the substance itself..
A little deeper study would go a long way.. for one, the Scientific Method isn't limited to the physical. Only the means we usually use to apply the method.. stop being so dismissive..
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Would you understand that law and its connection to Egypt? Of course you wouldn't.. Seeing as you probably didn't know ancient Egyptian priests studied the astral-realm, obe's, and the like..
I applied the Scientific Method to my own astral experience. Which confirmed my faith. I am not blind by a long shot..
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Carlos.Martinez3 wrote: Before you can study God, or the Force, first you must demonstrate that it even exists.
For some this is true and for others the exact opposite is part of the reasons for faith.
If you need evidence, by all means , seek it out but be carful to assume “everyone” needs evidence.
How do you study something that does not exist? This is not a claim either way, Im just asking how this could be done? If you assume something exists, (have faith) but have no way of understanding that thing or studying it you are just guessing. If something exists but does not interact with our reality how can you tell it from something that does not exist at all? And if something does exist and does interact with our reality then that means there would be ways to show that existence with evidence that can be reproduced and thus studied.
Is there any conclusion you could not come to using faith? I could have faith that there is an invisible unicorn in my garage. But if I have no way of demonstrating that unicorns existence what good is that faith? If that unicorn does not exist I would be acting in error to assume through faith that it does exist. This becomes an exercise in futility and so faith becomes an unreliable path to truth. Given this unreliable aspect why would you continue to rely on it?
This is not being closed minded, it is being skeptical. There is a difference. Closed minded dismisses the possibility of the unicorn existing. Skeptical, on the other hand, does not do this but also does not accept claims of faith. Instead it relies on other mechanisms to accurately arrive at actual truths. And in aspects of reality in which we may not have ready explanations, the answer to that truth is simply "I do not know". And that answer has to be sufficient instead of just making something up to fill that gap in knowledge with a God or a Force there is no evidence for.
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There was a moment in time when I realized - well, none of us are the same- Kinna kissed me off till I learned to say - that too is ok! After that - I wasn’t arguing or quibbelimg as much. Somthing to think about. May the Force be with us all!
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Uzima Moto wrote: You do know the bible forbids mediumship, right?
You do understand that not everyone that practices mediumship follows the bible though right? So is it forbidden for them? Or are you making an assumption of authority not in evidence in your bible?
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Kyrin Wyldstar wrote:
Carlos.Martinez3 wrote: Before you can study God, or the Force, first you must demonstrate that it even exists.
For some this is true and for others the exact opposite is part of the reasons for faith.
If you need evidence, by all means , seek it out but be carful to assume “everyone” needs evidence.
How do you study something that does not exist? This is not a claim either way, Im just asking how this could be done? If you assume something exists, (have faith) but have no way of understanding that thing or studying it you are just guessing. If something exists but does not interact with our reality how can you tell it from something that does not exist at all? And if something does exist and does interact with our reality then that means there would be ways to show that existence with evidence that can be reproduced and thus studied.
Is there any conclusion you could not come to using faith? I could have faith that there is an invisible unicorn in my garage. But if I have no way of demonstrating that unicorns existence what good is that faith? If that unicorn does not exist I would be acting in error to assume through faith that it does exist. This becomes an exercise in futility and so faith becomes an unreliable path to truth. Given this unreliable aspect why would you continue to rely on it?
This is not being closed minded, it is being skeptical. There is a difference. Closed minded dismisses the possibility of the unicorn existing. Skeptical, on the other hand, does not do this but also does not accept claims of faith. Instead it relies on other mechanisms to accurately arrive at actual truths. And in aspects of reality in which we may not have ready explanations, the answer to that truth is simply "I do not know". And that answer has to be sufficient instead of just making something up to fill that gap in knowledge with a God or a Force there is no evidence for.
Your absolutely right - it’s called faith. Some say if you had just a small amount you can move mountains and yet others say it’s a false hope. Personally - my faith has broken chains- yeeeeeeears of chains that have kept my family down. I am hated and spooked away but I no longer am what I was raised and my family no longer subscribed to that which was thought to be - a dead end life. I’m english- I ain’t no thug or gangsta any more - I don’t have to be - I don’t have to be anything - my choice. I am free. My choice. I love and love to the fullest and no longer live like I used to and am no longer chained to a life which I though I could never leave. Faith is as much a real thing as some see it or as fake as some say it is - just depends all on how you see it Ranger!
I say that not in jest but as an encouragement - eventually we find what we seek, regardless of any one else follows us or not- the evidence is in us. I’m a believer in the fact that some times we may have to MAKE the way if we can’t fimd it. There are many who can say that here ... true? Force benwith you Kyrin.
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