RANKING: Jedi Vs. Clergy

Dhagon Krayt wrote:

Here was what I suggested:

Non Clergy -- - Clergy
Master Jedi - Master Jedi Cleric
Sr. Jedi Knight - Sr. Jedi Knight Cleric (or just Sr. Jedi Cleric)
Jedi Knight - Jedi Knight Cleric (or just Jedi Cleric)
Jedi Apprentice - Jedi Cleric Apprentice
Jedi Initiate - Jedi Cleric Initiate (though I don't believe someone should be ordained until they are atleast an apprentice)

These represent those who do not choose to be Clergy, and those who do, They separate those with more responsibility, seniority, knowledge, experience or whatever for both for Clergy and Non Clergy. It makes distinct separation for either, and makes it quite easy to discern who to go to if you need someone for a Clergy matter, regardless of the level you need to talk to. And under no circumstance, should Jedi be left out. First and foremost, everyone of us should be a Jedi, and if your not a Jedi, you should not be any sort of member of Jediism Clergy. By denying what we are, Jedi, we are selling ourselves short. You can be a Jedi and a member of the Clergy, by taking the term Jedi out of it, it would seem you have to choose one or the other. Just some more thoughts.

DK

Why not just this:

Initiate-someone in the Order but without a Master
Apprentice-a person that has found a Master and started training
Knight-someone who has completed their training
Master-someone who has completed their training, and successfully trained someone else in the ways of the Jedi?

When we start dealing out titles like some of the ones I've seen suggested, people are going to start power-tripping, and how is that in keeping in line with Jediism? We aren't Bishop's or Archbishops or monsignor's, I joined Jediism, the closest thing I could agree to other than just Init, App, Knight or Master, is the Cleric idea, it's generic, and still conveys something of a religious title with it. We aren't supposed to favor another religion, we are autonomous, or so says the Front page in no certain terms.

But we need a way of distinguishing between the Clergy and other members, without making one seem higher than the other even though we know this not to be. I suggest we think of a sytem and stick to it. The titles used may make it look like particular members are \"higher up\", but we should have information posted somewhere making it clear that we arn't.

Considering this, it might be a good idea to have a constitution. It would take matters like this and sort them out once and for all in a clear document. Ofcourse it would take some time to compile but once it has been, it will help to eradicate confusion and give out a set of clear guideline on how things should be done. Of course if anything isn't working amendments can be made.

Maybe we should put it to a vote, it seems the sensible thing to do. If someone can contact Jidun, I'd prefer we put it on the side than wait for people to sign into this particular forum board and vote. I say we leave it open for atleat two weeks, and somehow (if possible) prevent multiple voting by the same person.

DK

Very wise idea Brother DK, one of our Jedi beliefs is \"In the importance of democracy within religious, political, and other structures.\"
Let the brethren decide.

Lenny
Jedi Knight

Some of this has to do with delight in arcane things like which fork to use when there’s five at the setting or knowing that it’s perfectly proper to pick up steamed asparagus with your fingers even at a formal White House dinner.

Some of my posts, while true, are not imperatives and as I look at all this it’s almost funny. I say almost because the entire rank / council business got a lot of folk’s doin’ a lot of hatin’!

Br. Shaun says:

Why not just this:

Initiate-someone in the Order but without a Master
Apprentice-a person that has found a Master and started training
Knight-someone who has completed their training
Master-someone who has completed their training, and successfully trained someone else in the ways of the Jedi?

This is more orthodox and I’m telling you right now that I’ve had the feeling that my idea of starting at Knight with different grades does not work. This is well worth considering.

In the next post I’ll deal with the clergy so we can keep these two issues separate.

For a quick informal straw poll please reply to this post. I'm sure Master Dunn can fix us a poll and two weeks is plenty of time to vote.

Br. John

Br. John wrote:

Some of this has to do with delight in arcane things like which fork to use when there’s five at the setting or knowing that it’s perfectly proper to pick up steamed asparagus with your fingers even at a formal White House dinner.

Some of my posts, while true, are not imperatives and as I look at all this it’s almost funny. I say almost because the entire rank / council business got a lot of folk’s doin’ a lot of hatin’!

Br. Shaun says:

Why not just this:

Initiate-someone in the Order but without a Master
Apprentice-a person that has found a Master and started training
Knight-someone who has completed their training
Master-someone who has completed their training, and successfully trained someone else in the ways of the Jedi?

This is more orthodox and I’m telling you right now that I’ve had the feeling that my idea of starting at Knight with different grades does not work. This is well worth considering.

In the next post I’ll deal with the clergy so we can keep these two issues separate.

For a quick informal straw poll please reply to this post. I'm sure Master Dunn can fix us a poll and two weeks is plenty of time to vote.

Br. John

The church has already voted and accepted the Current Jedi ranking structure has it not? It was my understanding this had to do with Clergy not the Jedi ranking.