"God Hates Gays"

Angelus wrote: How do you deal with people that, no matter how right you are, disagree because of blind faith/stupidity/hatred/etc.?

Slap them.

I do admit, I'm with Br. John, at least in though, I would love to slap them at times.

As for the Westboro Baptist Church, I do find them sickening. Their level of hate they have in their hearts is so sad. Aggrivating at the same time. I try not to build up so much hate and anger towards them, as I don't want to stoop to their level and fighting hate with hate I have found, often does little.

When I come across people that share the views of "God hates gays", I politely share my thoughts and beliefs. I explain why I believe God accepts gays. The Bible was written by man, therefore is subject to human error. It isn't the exact word of God, but merely what man thinks God is feeling. Then I go on to how God is taught as a loving accepting God who doesn't want us to judge.

Unfortunately it doesn't do much, and as I am also a Christian I have been met with some hostility at times for my beliefs that gays are equal to heterosexuals. I distance myself from the people who believe that way and try to still spread the word that God loves and accepts everyone, hoping that maybe it will reach someone. Even if it is just one person, the effort is wort it.

It is truly sad that in religion, it twists its way around to each persons interpretation with similarities...

I have no problem with Gays, Lesbians, etc... and heres why... In my belief I follow a statement in the Bible that even in non-religious manners could be as well.

"We are not to Judge unless we be judged in the same way..." Since I have a Christian belief, judgement, less to say is in the hands of the Lord & not me... It is not my place to Judge...

As for God hates gays... doubt it and its the predjudice of the person to state what God does or doesn't like... s'pose to love all regardless....

Plus I would probabaly bury my foot so far deep I would have to go tot the hospital to get my shoe back....

I have to agree with Cynthia fully on this one..

God has always been taught as one with opening and embracing arms, yet people say that God hates homosexuals. However, as we read over the passage in the Bible that many use to defend that phrase, let's look at what it does not state.


That phrase, "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman. That is detestable." doesn't say anything about God hating homosexuals, in fact it simply states in it, if read properly, that Man's way of thinking how God thinks is that God finds homosexuals to be nasty, and indeed to most they are. However, just because they are found nasty for their sexual opinions doesn't mean God hates them. In fact, from all my reading of the Bible, it is said only at one thing that God actually hates, and that's a lying tongue.

Just because a man sleeps with a man, doesn't make him any less of a Christian, or just a believer of God. That is what makes the decision on if we go to Heaven or Hell, is if we truly believe in God, and put our faith in him, let him into our hearts, we'll join him in Heaven. Just because a man likes another man, doesn't mean he believes in God any less.

Never does it say God hates homosexuals in the Bible, and I personally have always found it hard to truly and utterly trust in the Bible because, as Cynthia said, "The Bible was written by man, therefore is subject to human error." We will never be perfect, and so we can not properly speak for the perfect Being, it's just impossible.

Are you saying that most people find homosexuals nasty because of their sexual opinions?

When you say opinions do you mean orientation? Do you believe people choose to be gay or straight or bisexual?

Angelus wrote: How do you deal with people that, no matter how right you are, disagree because of blind faith/stupidity/hatred/etc.?

The problem is in your sentence, no offence intended Angelus, Fr. Jon brought it up in his post on why we all strive to show we are right... No one is 'right'

lol... Even my statemets I make in this post, although I feel they are right, they are merely my opinion...

An opinion cannot be wrong, while I in no way agree with any kind of hate, or even rudeness, for I think best manners in dealing with everyone is acceptable...

Even the opinion of the Westboro Baptist... In their opinion, they are right.. Their interpetation of the Bible, is correct, to them...

While the vast majority of the world may disagree, being in the minority in your beliefs, (such as the number of Jedi to the number of Catholics), does not make the minority veiwpoint 'wrong'...

Unfourtunatly, people forget that when they talk, they are expressing an opinion... If every sentence, began, or ended, with 'In my opinion', or 'I think'... we would all have better discussions...

Instead, people state opinion, like fact... "Taco Bell is the best", "Chicago Cubs are going to win it this year", " I look good in a t-shirt two sizes to small", "Jestor rambles and expresses his opinion, like it is the final word in something...".... All of these are opinion, and while we may agree with some (like the one about Jestor the motor mouth!!), others we do not...

br.John wrote: Are you saying that most people find homosexuals nasty because of their sexual opinions?

When you say opinions do you mean orientation? Do you believe people choose to be gay or straight or bisexual?

I don't think (s)he is saying most people, I think, they are saying that the original authors of the bible, tried to say God found homosexuality to be wrong, expressing their opinion, about what they think God would think about it....

The whole line about:

Illrian wrote: "is that God finds homosexuals to be nasty, and indeed to most they are"

Kinda irritated me at first more than the rest, and I worried this would start a sh*tstorm in this thread, but Illrian, is expressing the opinion that still seems to be predominate in the world, although less every day, that there is something wrong with gay people...

This is evident, in the way the world works... For I see and hear bigotry every day, some faction, belittling another... enough to make me wince... so sad...

It is my opinion, that the Statement " God hates gays" Has its basis in lack of solid fact.
Not wanting to totally derail this thread, God Loves!

With all the anger , depression , hatred, war, and strife in the world we have no right telling two people , whoever they are , no matter what race , creed or orientation, that they are wrong for loving someone.

Looking at the Laws in the books of Genesis-Numbers, a lot of them were based, probably unknowing to the people of the time, on hygiene. Look at the food laws and what was prohibited from eating, most of these carried diseases and caused sickness, but with the understanding of proper cooking and cleaning these foods are healthy now. Even Jesus said it's not what goes in the mouth that makes one unclean, but what comes out. Onto the current debate, thinking about the general state of cleanliness and availability of clean water and soap, I don't see the passage "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman. That is detestable." Leviticus 18:22, as a problem with same sexes loving each other, it was simple hygiene. I won't go into details here, because I think we get the picture. Just something to ponder over.

I did have a very angry response to this topic. I have now deleted it.