"God Hates Gays"

According to the WBC website, they state that they don't hate gays, but that god does, and that the bible states that we are to love our neighbors. They believe that the highest form of love is the truth, and that their constant picketing is a sign of their love for the rest of the world (which in a seriousley twisted way sort of makes sense...). So, for a moment, let's venture away from the human attitude towards gays.

Ren,you suggested that god may have created something that he later came to hate/regret. But if he's truly almighty and all knowing, shouldn't he have seen it coming, or have some way of stopping it? You also said that he may have created the things he supposedly hates purely for entertainment, but do you really believe that the god we worship is like that? It seems brutally unfair to me.

RyuJin, isn't the bible completely written by man? As you said, it's become so twisted in the way that it's preached and interpreted, that you can't get the same thing from more than one church. So why do we place our faith in something written and constantly corrupted by man. Is there any piece of god left in the bible? Was god even instrumental in the creation of the bible?

It's because of these things that a thinking, feeling god seems to be a foolish thing to believe in, to me.

You also said that he may have created the things he supposedly hates purely for entertainment, but do you really believe that the god we worship is like that? It seems brutally unfair to me.

Speak for yourself, I don't do any worshipping lol. I place myself in a hypothetical "god exists and is as described by christians". According to the myth, god created humans in his image. We know humans can be cruel, we know god can be cruel. In fact, a lot crueller. Look at the original sin. Humans wanted knowledge, god didn't agree, and when sin was committed he wasn't forgiving at all.extrapolate this into god = parent and humans = children into today's society and you'll find that god would be doing some jail time. So yes it seems very possible that god created us for entertainment and added some drama to make it interesting, instead of cancelling the show after a couple of seasons.

Ren said, "So yes it seems very possible that god created us for entertainment and added some drama to make it interesting, instead of cancelling the show after a couple of seasons."

I agree with this I would assume the human race was very entertaining as viewed from above. So entertaining that we made war, murder, casinos, dog races, boxing arenas, books, movies, W.W.F. other t.v. shows and really everything else to entertain ourselves. I bet through time "God" has had quite a few laughs and crys with what is happening on Earth. I would also assume he really likes to watch "Murder she wrote" or "the golden girls" I bet hes got all the episodes TiVo'ed

But didn't God try canceling the show already? I.e. with the flood of Noah

and for the record I don't believe in a "God" or a "Deity" and by no means was i trying to offend those who do, just saying.

It wasn't cancelled, he probably wanted it to take a new direction and had to kill some characters to stick with one good, small "core" team to build up the script. Similar to how they got rid of Kes on Star Trek Voyager.

Angelus wrote: So why do we place our faith in something written and constantly corrupted by man. Is there any piece of god left in the bible? Was god even instrumental in the creation of the bible?

ah the answer to this is simple, people need something to believe in. whether it's science, mythology, or whatnot. it is human nature to be self destructive, we need some form of spirituality to set a moral standard from...an ideal to live up to...a means of controlling our nature, and something to believe in gives us this. god, science, the force etc...

as to whether there is any piece of god left in the bible....that depends on whom you ask, if you ask a christian the answer is likely going to be yes, if you ask a non christian the answer would be no...i'm not christian so my answer would be no, but i wasn't present at its creation.

was god instrumental in the creation of the bible....again ask a christian and the answer would be yes, but a non christian would say no...

in the end the most important thing is to be a good person, it doesn't matter what faith you follow as long as you've lived right...live right and you'll go where you belong.

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beautifully stated

Wow, lots of responses and discussion since I've last been in! In response over all to the mythology of the flood and the varying views of God (like how can he be full of love and yet drown most of the population), and such I will state this:

The Bible was written by man. Supposedly inspired by God. God never outright spoke aloud to anyone (IMO). The authors in the Bible wrote what they believed that God was telling them in their hearts. That is why there are so many contrary verses in it. God didn't cause a great flood (again IMO), but it was a tale to teach a lesson. A myth if you will. No original sin, we aren't punished for Adam's sin, that would be absurd, no loving God would really do that.

To me God is love. He loves everyone, no matter their race, religion, sexuality, etc.

One thing about floods and earthquakes and all that stuff. Ancient people of whatever faith were very quick to scream, "Look! Our God(s) are displeased and punishing us". Modern people tend to do this as well but at least voice of reason can be.. uhhh.. voiced... nowadays.

They were faced with unbelievable things, and can hardly be blamed. One crazy guy boasts about the end of the world in the street for 10 years, then one day fire surges into the sky only to come back as hot rocks. Suddenly that crazy guy doesn't sound so crazy anymore. And there was religion.

ren wrote: They were faced with unbelievable things, and can hardly be blamed. One crazy guy boasts about the end of the world in the street for 10 years, then one day fire surges into the sky only to come back as hot rocks. Suddenly that crazy guy doesn't sound so crazy anymore. And there was religion.

lol well I personally think you're skipping a step or two in the creation of religion but that's just me.

I find that i'm not so concerned with the creation of the Christian religion, but the end of it. Which, one can hope, will be soon.

ahhh.. yah, I'm not so eager for the end, myself. I mean, I know that as a Christian I'm supposed to want to be done with Earth and go blissfully into God's Kingdom... but ahhh... I'm just having so much fun here.

I was referring to the end of the religion, not the planet.

And weren't you the one complaining about generalizations?

I guess I misunderstood you

but in any event, I'm not keen on the end of my religion either. In fact, I can't think of any reason I would desire that.

I'm getting a little tired of being picked on for my beliefs here. I bumped heads with Ren but it seems that was more do to me being in a crappy mood and there was actually no offense intended on his part. Seems we may have gotten past that.

Why now, are you responding to each of my posts in such a confrontational manner? You're even hitting me on the things I say in humor in the "shout out". Did I do something to you?

Solar Centurion wrote: I'm getting a little tired of being picked on for my beliefs here. I bumped heads with Ren but it seems that was more do to me being in a crappy mood and there was actually no offense intended on his part. Seems we may have gotten past that.

Why now, are you responding to each of my posts in such a confrontational manner? You're even hitting me on the things I say in humor in the "shout out". Did I do something to you?

Oops, continued:

So this issue has been resolved with Ren? Then who, besides me, do you feel has offended you? I can't think of anyone. There's another generalization against this Temple, from someone who doesn't want to be generalized.

You said what you had say in Shout! was crude and not fit for a family site? That sounds like something that would be offensive. A day after you complain about the whole Temple not accepting and rejecting your beliefs, you become so presumptuous as to hint at making crude jokes that are bound to offend people?

'Aw, crap. Guess it was too much to hope the thread would go without a fight, somewhere.' James moaned. Jack nodded in agreement, almost sorrowfully. Though, admittedly, this argument was incredibly tame to some of the outright idiotic flame wars and trolling she'd seen on other internet sites but...

"Still, this is the Temple. I would have thought that the people here, if they have this bad a disagreement, would settle it in private conversation, or talk about it in a more debate form -- where we learn from each other instead of continuing to insist they see it 'our' way..."

'Dude, you sound like Jestor.' Daline commented, sneering. Jack considered this, 'Should we step in and say something?'

'Like, maybe... how did the mother in 'Burn Notice' say it? If you boys can live with that, shake and make up. If you can't, shake and make up, anyway. Because that's what grown ups do.' Kendalina agreed. Jack wanted to point out that that probably wasn't how the quote went, but, at the same time, Kendalina had lit up a death stick and looked in the mood to stick it somewhere unpleasant if someone made her mad.

"How about I just go for the middle route and advise them to continue their conversation in private messaging? After all, they might be completely misunderstanding the other and just having a breakdown in communication, and in the meantime, it's not fair to other people on this board that the topic has strayed so far from the original."

'Besides, in private messaging, you can swear all you like.' Tom added. Everyone paused and gave Tom a long, incredulous stare.

'What? Just sayin'.' He grinned.

"dude you sound like Jestor":whistle:

Sapadu wrote: 'Aw, crap. Guess it was too much to hope the thread would go without a fight, somewhere.' James moaned. Jack nodded in agreement, almost sorrowfully. Though, admittedly, this argument was incredibly tame to some of the outright idiotic flame wars and trolling she'd seen on other internet sites but...

"Still, this is the Temple. I would have thought that the people here, if they have this bad a disagreement, would settle it in private conversation, or talk about it in a more debate form -- where we learn from each other instead of continuing to insist they see it 'our' way..."

'Dude, you sound like Jestor.' Daline commented, sneering. Jack considered this, 'Should we step in and say something?'

'Like, maybe... how did the mother in 'Burn Notice' say it? If you boys can live with that, shake and make up. If you can't, shake and make up, anyway. Because that's what grown ups do.' Kendalina agreed. Jack wanted to point out that that probably wasn't how the quote went, but, at the same time, Kendalina had lit up a death stick and looked in the mood to stick it somewhere unpleasant if someone made her mad.

"How about I just go for the middle route and advise them to continue their conversation in private messaging? After all, they might be completely misunderstanding the other and just having a breakdown in communication, and in the meantime, it's not fair to other people on this board that the topic has strayed so far from the original."

'Besides, in private messaging, you can swear all you like.' Tom added. Everyone paused and gave Tom a long, incredulous stare.

'What? Just sayin'.' He grinned.

Excellent point. This thread shouldn't have dissolved to this. Conflicts should have been taken care of through PM rather than involving the whole thread. I'm a bit disappointed that it happened.