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29 Jul 2011 00:27 #40877 by Angelus
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According to the WBC website, they state that they don't hate gays, but that god does, and that the bible states that we are to love our neighbors. They believe that the highest form of love is the truth, and that their constant picketing is a sign of their love for the rest of the world (which in a seriousley twisted way sort of makes sense...). So, for a moment, let's venture away from the human attitude towards gays.

Ren,you suggested that god may have created something that he later came to hate/regret. But if he's truly almighty and all knowing, shouldn't he have seen it coming, or have some way of stopping it? You also said that he may have created the things he supposedly hates purely for entertainment, but do you really believe that the god we worship is like that? It seems brutally unfair to me.

RyuJin, isn't the bible completely written by man? As you said, it's become so twisted in the way that it's preached and interpreted, that you can't get the same thing from more than one church. So why do we place our faith in something written and constantly corrupted by man. Is there any piece of god left in the bible? Was god even instrumental in the creation of the bible?

It's because of these things that a thinking, feeling god seems to be a foolish thing to believe in, to me.

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29 Jul 2011 01:08 #40879 by ren
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You also said that he may have created the things he supposedly hates purely for entertainment, but do you really believe that the god we worship is like that? It seems brutally unfair to me.


Speak for yourself, I don't do any worshipping lol. I place myself in a hypothetical "god exists and is as described by christians". According to the myth, god created humans in his image. We know humans can be cruel, we know god can be cruel. In fact, a lot crueller. Look at the original sin. Humans wanted knowledge, god didn't agree, and when sin was committed he wasn't forgiving at all.extrapolate this into god = parent and humans = children into today's society and you'll find that god would be doing some jail time. So yes it seems very possible that god created us for entertainment and added some drama to make it interesting, instead of cancelling the show after a couple of seasons.

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29 Jul 2011 01:49 #40880 by Aeros
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Ren said, "So yes it seems very possible that god created us for entertainment and added some drama to make it interesting, instead of cancelling the show after a couple of seasons."

I agree with this I would assume the human race was very entertaining as viewed from above. So entertaining that we made war, murder, casinos, dog races, boxing arenas, books, movies, W.W.F. other t.v. shows and really everything else to entertain ourselves. I bet through time "God" has had quite a few laughs and crys with what is happening on Earth. I would also assume he really likes to watch "Murder she wrote" or "the golden girls" I bet hes got all the episodes TiVo'ed

But didn't God try canceling the show already? I.e. with the flood of Noah

and for the record I don't believe in a "God" or a "Deity" and by no means was i trying to offend those who do, just saying.

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29 Jul 2011 02:05 #40881 by ren
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It wasn't cancelled, he probably wanted it to take a new direction and had to kill some characters to stick with one good, small "core" team to build up the script. Similar to how they got rid of Kes on Star Trek Voyager.

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29 Jul 2011 02:22 #40882 by RyuJin
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Angelus wrote: So why do we place our faith in something written and constantly corrupted by man. Is there any piece of god left in the bible? Was god even instrumental in the creation of the bible?


ah the answer to this is simple, people need something to believe in. whether it's science, mythology, or whatnot. it is human nature to be self destructive, we need some form of spirituality to set a moral standard from...an ideal to live up to...a means of controlling our nature, and something to believe in gives us this. god, science, the force etc...

as to whether there is any piece of god left in the bible....that depends on whom you ask, if you ask a christian the answer is likely going to be yes, if you ask a non christian the answer would be no...i'm not christian so my answer would be no, but i wasn't present at its creation.

was god instrumental in the creation of the bible....again ask a christian and the answer would be yes, but a non christian would say no...

in the end the most important thing is to be a good person, it doesn't matter what faith you follow as long as you've lived right...live right and you'll go where you belong.

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29 Jul 2011 06:09 #40886 by Br. John
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29 Jul 2011 06:36 #40887 by Solar Centurion
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beautifully stated

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29 Jul 2011 10:59 #40897 by Cynthia
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Wow, lots of responses and discussion since I've last been in! In response over all to the mythology of the flood and the varying views of God (like how can he be full of love and yet drown most of the population), and such I will state this:

The Bible was written by man. Supposedly inspired by God. God never outright spoke aloud to anyone (IMO). The authors in the Bible wrote what they believed that God was telling them in their hearts. That is why there are so many contrary verses in it. God didn't cause a great flood (again IMO), but it was a tale to teach a lesson. A myth if you will. No original sin, we aren't punished for Adam's sin, that would be absurd, no loving God would really do that.

To me God is love. He loves everyone, no matter their race, religion, sexuality, etc.

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30 Jul 2011 03:43 #40924 by Solar Centurion
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One thing about floods and earthquakes and all that stuff. Ancient people of whatever faith were very quick to scream, "Look! Our God(s) are displeased and punishing us". Modern people tend to do this as well but at least voice of reason can be.. uhhh.. voiced... nowadays.

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30 Jul 2011 04:34 #40929 by ren
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They were faced with unbelievable things, and can hardly be blamed. One crazy guy boasts about the end of the world in the street for 10 years, then one day fire surges into the sky only to come back as hot rocks. Suddenly that crazy guy doesn't sound so crazy anymore. And there was religion.

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