RANKING: Jedi Vs. Clergy

Dhagon Krayt wrote:

With all due respect Br. John, I agree, lets do away with it all together. Otherwise, the ones I suggested before, still have a heirarchy of experience, that correlates with Jedi type titles, therefore, would still serve the purpose of the distinct experience levels of the clergy.

DK

Again, they are not one in the same. Jedi experience does not denote experience as Clergy. To simply do away with them and replace it with one name would be like changing all the distinctions in the hospital to simply health care professional. How would they then know who was qualified to do what? That is what he is saying.

A thought on optional Jediism Clergy names.

Jedi High Cleric=Archbishop
Sr. Jedi Cleric=Bishop
Jedi Cleric=Rev.
or
High Cleric=Archbishop
Sr. Cleric=Bishop
Cleric=Rev.

These keep the titles Jedi specific and still denote the levels within the clergy, but all can be referred to as Rev. during conversation with no disrespect intended whatsoever or concern for addressing the right person the right way. You could easily use them when writting your rank and clergy level without any confusion too, i.e.,

Sr Jedi Knight/Sr Jedi Cleric
or
Sr Jedi Knight/Sr Cleric

The titles still carry the same duties and responsibility, but are not leaning towards any particular other religions titles which seems to be the ongoing conflict. There is no confusion that one carries more responsibility than the other and doesn't get confused with the Jedi ranking system and their levels of authority either. I've been following this thread and have commented on it before, but this is just my offer for how to deal with it. It is just a suggestion to deal with the subject at hand.

Awaiting comments and suggestions.....

Now were are talking about a workable solution. however, there really is no arch-bishop. and we should leave the word Jedi out of it as in your second example. But This would allow for the necessary distinctions. I still stand by not needing to change it, but were it to change, i would not argue with this style of system, save that it would be unclear to those who are not jedi what these really mean. so we lose that sort of universality of the current distinctions used.

So then High Cleric would equal Bishop. But I still dont see a need for a change.

Here was what I suggested:

Non Clergy -- - Clergy
Master Jedi - Master Jedi Cleric
Sr. Jedi Knight - Sr. Jedi Knight Cleric (or just Sr. Jedi Cleric)
Jedi Knight - Jedi Knight Cleric (or just Jedi Cleric)
Jedi Apprentice - Jedi Cleric Apprentice
Jedi Initiate - Jedi Cleric Initiate (though I don't believe someone should be ordained until they are atleast an apprentice)

These represent those who do not choose to be Clergy, and those who do, They separate those with more responsibility, seniority, knowledge, experience or whatever for both for Clergy and Non Clergy. It makes distinct separation for either, and makes it quite easy to discern who to go to if you need someone for a Clergy matter, regardless of the level you need to talk to. And under no circumstance, should Jedi be left out. First and foremost, everyone of us should be a Jedi, and if your not a Jedi, you should not be any sort of member of Jediism Clergy. By denying what we are, Jedi, we are selling ourselves short. You can be a Jedi and a member of the Clergy, by taking the term Jedi out of it, it would seem you have to choose one or the other. Just some more thoughts.

DK

But it does not show who is capable of what as Clergy. remember Dhagon, They are seperate.

What are you talking about, what they are capable of? All Clergy should be able to do the same cermonies, counselings and so forth, so maybe I'm not getting what you mean. I would figure the higher people would do more things, if necessary, but like I said I don't see what else there could be. There would be communion and that sort of stuff, any of them should be able to give sermons. Please let me know, I really want to understand your point, I'm just not seeing it yet.

DK

Dhagon, I believe he is talking about the ordaining of new clergy members that can only be done by a Bishop or higher and the actual setting of doctrine and whatnot. Regular clergy members can perform the ceremonies, but are unable to ordain others as ministers.

Bishop Whiteman, you said, \"If it's not broken, why fix it?\" You asked how it could be fixed, if broken. I said I didn't believe it to be broken, but I offered this solution still.

Since Br John is the Sr Pastor here, I thought he held the title of Archbishop or whatever the equal was. That was my thoughts behind the Jedi High Cleric/High Cleric.

Rev. Justice wrote:

Dhagon, I believe he is talking about the ordaining of new clergy members that can only be done by a Bishop or higher and the actual setting of doctrine and whatnot. Regular clergy members can perform the ceremonies, but are unable to ordain others as ministers.

Bishop Whiteman, you said, \"If it's not broken, why fix it?\" You asked how it could be fixed, if broken. I said I didn't believe it to be broken, but I offered this solution still.

Since Br John is the Sr Pastor here, I thought he held the title of Archbishop or whatever the equal was. That was my thoughts behind the Jedi High Cleric/High Cleric.

Hmmm, we'll have to ask him then. And yes I am talking about that as well as the other things that the other clergy can do.

Ok so, having now consulted our Senior Pastor I was again mistaken, though not as much as I had thought. He is indeed the Arch-Bishop. But as he explained to me that has nothing to do with holy orders of which the highest is Bishop. It has to do with jurisdiction.