RANKING: Jedi Vs. Clergy

Exactly brother. Good point. We do not hoard these titles over the other members for there are Jedi that simply choose not to attain a position within the clergy, and nor does it give us any ranking over anyone.

Hi, this whole ranking thing, is somewhat tiresome, and we appear to have raped and pillaged the Catolic faith for their titles, I could be wrong, but people are running around with \"Rankings\" of Bishop, or Monsignor. Why not create a generic brand for our titles. Initiate, for those who have yet to find a Master, Apprentice for those who have a Master, Knight for those who have completed their training, and then Master for those that have taken and completed the training of an Apprentice? Why do we have to take the titles from other religions when we are supposed to be a separate entity from other religions?
Just a thought.

Br. Shaun wrote:

Hi, this whole ranking thing, is somewhat tiresome, and we appear to have raped and pillaged the Catolic faith for their titles, I could be wrong, but people are running around with \"Rankings\" of Bishop, or Monsignor. Why not create a generic brand for our titles. Initiate, for those who have yet to find a Master, Apprentice for those who have a Master, Knight for those who have completed their training, and then Master for those that have taken and completed the training of an Apprentice? Why do we have to take the titles from other religions when we are supposed to be a separate entity from other religions?
Just a thought.

Those rankings are the ones used to designate our development as Jedi. This discussion is regarding that of CLERGY.

These rankings are not specifically Roman Catholic, but also to be found in the Anglican, Evangelical, Orthodox, Mormon, Baptist, Old Catholic... traditions.

All of which are based on one thing, the Bible. I'm not here to discuss the validity of said book, but it all comes from the same place, the differences there are points of view and interpretations of the words. My point it, it needs to be more Jedi specific or a generic term that doesn't take strictly from one set of beliefs. I wouldn't ask you all to make me Jedi Knight Sage, because I believe in Taoism, and people with the most experience in it are refered to as sage. Which is why I recommended Cleric, and the slight differences in title that I did, it is both a generic term used by nearly all spiritualities, yet Jedi specific, because no other religion uses the term directly in titles or designations. Do I object that they come from Christianity, yes, but not because its Christianity, but because it is pulled from one basic set of beliefs, I would object to Rabbi, or Imam as well and with just as much enthusiasm.

Br. John, I did recommend some titles, I'm not sure what page they are, but I can't figure out how to quote from them with out going out of this message to do it, it should be in this thread somewhere.

DK

John, it is currently on page four, my sugestions for named ranks of clergy. Something I still don't believe to be absolutely necessary, but seemingly wanted by the majority.

DK

Dhagon Krayt wrote:

All of which are based on one thing, the Bible. I'm not here to discuss the validity of said book, but it all comes from the same place, the differences there are points of view and interpretations of the words. My point it, it needs to be more Jedi specific or a generic term that doesn't take strictly from one set of beliefs. I wouldn't ask you all to make me Jedi Knight Sage, because I believe in Taoism, and people with the most experience in it are refered to as sage. Which is why I recommended Cleric, and the slight differences in title that I did, it is both a generic term used by nearly all spiritualities, yet Jedi specific, because no other religion uses the term directly in titles or designations. Do I object that they come from Christianity, yes, but not because its Christianity, but because it is pulled from one basic set of beliefs, I would object to Rabbi, or Imam as well and with just as much enthusiasm.

Br. John, I did recommend some titles, I'm not sure what page they are, but I can't figure out how to quote from them with out going out of this message to do it, it should be in this thread somewhere.

DK

You see they are not used here with any connection of that kind whatsoever, and we know that. No where in the Bible does it lay down what these designations are nor is it spoken about at all in this manner. I do not believe the word Bishop is even in the Bible. They were created by man.

Twsoundsoff wrote:

Dhagon Krayt wrote:

All of which are based on one thing, the Bible. I'm not here to discuss the validity of said book, but it all comes from the same place, the differences there are points of view and interpretations of the words. My point it, it needs to be more Jedi specific or a generic term that doesn't take strictly from one set of beliefs. I wouldn't ask you all to make me Jedi Knight Sage, because I believe in Taoism, and people with the most experience in it are refered to as sage. Which is why I recommended Cleric, and the slight differences in title that I did, it is both a generic term used by nearly all spiritualities, yet Jedi specific, because no other religion uses the term directly in titles or designations. Do I object that they come from Christianity, yes, but not because its Christianity, but because it is pulled from one basic set of beliefs, I would object to Rabbi, or Imam as well and with just as much enthusiasm.

Br. John, I did recommend some titles, I'm not sure what page they are, but I can't figure out how to quote from them with out going out of this message to do it, it should be in this thread somewhere.

DK

You see they are not used here with any connection of that kind whatsoever, and we know that. No where in the Bible does it lay down what these designations are nor is it spoken about at all in this manner. I do not believe the word Bishop is even in the Bible. They were created by man.

As such they are words, and this allows us to use them as any other religion does. I must say again, if it isnt broke, why fix it? To make it unique? We are unique already, changing this wont make it any more so.

When I was staying in the hospital recently with relative I noticed something. There were nurse aids, licensed vocational nurses (LVN), registered nurses (RN) and even nurse practitioners who could write prescriptions.

When a shunt seemed to be leaking the nurse (an LVN) had to get another nurse (the RN) to come check it since she was not qualified or allowed to do that procedure.

That’s four types of nurses with four different titles in a routine day but the Hell with it.

They are all health care professionals’; right?

So let’s just forget about those troublesome distinctions and not even have doctor, surgeon, nurse, respiratory therapist, ophthalmologist ….

Let’s just call all of them health care professionals (HCP’s) and save all the bother.

Br. John

I'd say we fix it so as not to be concidered a extention of a church, that not all members believe in, which is why I suggested something more generalized. Is it broke, no not for a Christian or Catholic church, but for a Jedi Temple, I don't feel it fits well, and by name alone, because of pretenses, implies that one has power over another. Pope over archbishop, archbishop over bishop, and so on. Further more in that church, when it comes to anything to do with the church, it implies that the clergy member has the final say over the members, something I don't believe we intend, but could easily be construed as such, simply by name alone.

Regardless, I believe that I've said enough on this matter, as have you Br. Tom, it seems as though most members are waiting on a victor in this discussion to get behind, so I will voice no further opinion, untill I feel that enough of the members have voiced theirs, and not simply reiterated mine or yours. Do please remember, this is by no means an attack on you or your beliefs, I simply just feel it should be more generalized, or not at all.

DK