RANKING: Jedi Vs. Clergy

Dhagon Krayt wrote:

Not exactly no, but there are things that are, which is why we should strive to get away from those, and do our own thing, thats how Jediism basically started, atleast for me.

DK

Is it that you find issue with it being borrowed from Christianity?

Dhagon Krayt wrote:

Not exactly no, but there are things that are, which is why we should strive to get away from those, and do our own thing, thats how Jediism basically started, atleast for me.

DK

I value your opinion - what do you suggest?

Br. John

I personally do not find it difficult to accept and respect the clerical titles. These are titles to which I can fully relate (due to their duties, responsabilities, carisma, vocation). For me the essential word is vocation. They certainly are not levels of for example military command which have to fulfilled or not. We are not present to execute duties, but are ther to live and let live. They are a simultaneous calling (from the Force) and response (from a Jedi), involving the perons faith, hopes, body, spirit, mind, visions and hopes. It is something very personal and at the same time administrative. If someone saw this as being destructive to the unity, then that observer is missing out the fact that this human potential to profile him/herself can be done in any situation. Superiority traits can be found amongst those in the most basic of social occupations.

The titles I am talking about are Rev., Bishop and Arch-Bishop.

In any other capacity I would agree. But look at it from this point of view: I as a soldier know of the limits of my training. I also can sense the knowledge of others around me. Sometimes I have more, sometimes they do. Sometimes those that do not still outrank me. Now take all that to just mean that sometimes there are those that have more training than others, and those that are simply in positions of (and I hate to use \"this\" word) power. We owe them the respect of their appointed offices and or positions. I have had spititual debates with clergy members in the past, but did not falter to refer to them by their titles. I kind of agree with the whole \"on the same level\" thing, but you also has to understand that there are those that are more versed and further trained that others sometimes.

Up until now I`ve heard a lot about experience, levels, ranks, titles, knowledge... . What about spirituality? What about the depth of spirituality that any of these positions incorporates? The more the position takes on responsability the more spiritually firm the person has to be, and the more its members can look to the Rev., Bishop, Archbishop for guidance. In this way those with clerical orders become a gift, and not a burden. This does in no way however exclude the depth of spirituality of its members, or that they may not be consulted. No, it just means that the Bishop... are public points of reference.

Exactly brother. Good point. We do not hoard these titles over the other members for there are Jedi that simply choose not to attain a position within the clergy, and nor does it give us any ranking over anyone.

Hi, this whole ranking thing, is somewhat tiresome, and we appear to have raped and pillaged the Catolic faith for their titles, I could be wrong, but people are running around with \"Rankings\" of Bishop, or Monsignor. Why not create a generic brand for our titles. Initiate, for those who have yet to find a Master, Apprentice for those who have a Master, Knight for those who have completed their training, and then Master for those that have taken and completed the training of an Apprentice? Why do we have to take the titles from other religions when we are supposed to be a separate entity from other religions?
Just a thought.

Br. Shaun wrote:

Hi, this whole ranking thing, is somewhat tiresome, and we appear to have raped and pillaged the Catolic faith for their titles, I could be wrong, but people are running around with \"Rankings\" of Bishop, or Monsignor. Why not create a generic brand for our titles. Initiate, for those who have yet to find a Master, Apprentice for those who have a Master, Knight for those who have completed their training, and then Master for those that have taken and completed the training of an Apprentice? Why do we have to take the titles from other religions when we are supposed to be a separate entity from other religions?
Just a thought.

Those rankings are the ones used to designate our development as Jedi. This discussion is regarding that of CLERGY.

These rankings are not specifically Roman Catholic, but also to be found in the Anglican, Evangelical, Orthodox, Mormon, Baptist, Old Catholic... traditions.