RANKING: Jedi Vs. Clergy

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30 May 2007 17:45 #2734 by
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I think the use of only one title would confuse some. Because each one carries with it different responsibilities that are indeed seperate from those of one's Jedi designation.

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30 May 2007 18:01 #2735 by
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And just to add to that, the current designation system is more easily accepted by those who are non-Jedi. Cleric sounds like something from the middle ages or a really good movie (i.e. Equilibrium). Whereas Minister or Reverend already has a good track record. Does that make sense?

(On a personal Level, Love the name though. Cleric does indeed sound like something from a Jedi Church. Perhaps we can expand upon that?)

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30 May 2007 18:39 #2739 by
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That's why I used the words Jedi Cleric in the ceremony outlines we have been working on. It just \"fit\".

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30 May 2007 19:02 #2740 by
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True, the movie Equilibrium was one of the best action movies in my eyes, I didn't get the name from it. Like I said I googled Clergy titles, and read through it, and saw that Cleric was a universal name for a clergy person. I agree with Br. Justice, it does just seem to fit, and it has a nice ring too it, if I might add. I'm unsure how it would confuse people, there would still be a distict difference in the title of Clergy members and non, but the rankings themselves would still be present, I think it would actually be less confusing that way, than having an entirely different \"ranking\" structure for the clergy. Plus, it helps to keep everyone intertwined by using much of the same terminology, as opposed to setting themselves completely outside of normal Jedi. As you know Br. Tom, I'm not concerned about how much acceptance we get from non-Jedi, especially since they don't take us seriously anyways. So why conform to thier standards and practices, this way, once we finally are accepted, we will be more of a stand alone entity. Besides, most people don't know what \"Imam\" stands for, I admittidly was one of them, till recently, but it is still used in Islam. They didn't care what outsiders thought of thier names and titles, I don't believe we should either.

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30 May 2007 19:14 #2741 by
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Dhagon Krayt wrote:

True, the movie Equilibrium was one of the best action movies in my eyes, I didn't get the name from it. Like I said I googled Clergy titles, and read through it, and saw that Cleric was a universal name for a clergy person. I agree with Br. Justice, it does just seem to fit, and it has a nice ring too it, if I might add. I'm unsure how it would confuse people, there would still be a distict difference in the title of Clergy members and non, but the rankings themselves would still be present, I think it would actually be less confusing that way, than having an entirely different \"ranking\" structure for the clergy. Plus, it helps to keep everyone intertwined by using much of the same terminology, as opposed to setting themselves completely outside of normal Jedi. As you know Br. Tom, I'm not concerned about how much acceptance we get from non-Jedi, especially since they don't take us seriously anyways. So why conform to thier standards and practices, this way, once we finally are accepted, we will be more of a stand alone entity. Besides, most people don't know what \"Imam\" stands for, I admittidly was one of them, till recently, but it is still used in Islam. They didn't care what outsiders thought of thier names and titles, I don't believe we should either.

DK


Well, first things first, it would be somewhat confusing because there is then no real distinction between clergy with more and less responsibility as such. and because the Jedi designation does not denote those responsibilites (and can't because they are seperate) it would be difficult to discern who is what regarding clergy.

Second, With regard to how we are viewed by others, I understand your feelings. However, in order to continue this movement and church, we need to consider how to best reach others. and we cannot do that with an \"I don't care what you think\" attitude.

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30 May 2007 19:39 #2743 by
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You could for the clergy, concerning the use of Cleric, drop the Jedi part.

So for example you would have a Cleric Apprentice instead of a Jedi Apprentice and so on.

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30 May 2007 19:50 #2744 by
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Whiteknight wrote:

You could for the clergy, concerning the use of Cleric, drop the Jedi part.

So for example you would have a Cleric Apprentice instead of a Jedi Apprentice and so on.


That would make it awefully difficult to put down. \"Cleric apprentice Jedi Apprentice Yurnamehere?\" thats a mouthfull

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30 May 2007 20:01 #2745 by
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Of course there would be a difference with which clergy person had more responsibility and such, which would go along with their rank as well. Besides, I though the point of separete designators for Clergy was to Identify them as people who are Clergy, not saying I'm a higher clergy than this guy, because I do more clergy related things than he/she does. If anything it should be so people would know who to contact for counseling and possible ceremonies and such.

As far as reaching others, I agree it needs to be accesible, but this isn't winning souls. All we need to do is get the word out, so people can come here for themselves to see if they like it. If they do, when they get into it, it wouldn't be hard to discern who was clergy and who wasn't. People who are typically looking for a different religion or what not, are not looking for a carbon copy, they are looking for something completely separate, something Jedi. Besides, all clergy are going to be performing pretty much the same functions, except for maybe senior clergy teaching junior clergy methods and such. And if there are certain functions like only certain ceremonies that only senior clergy can reside over. I'd really like if we got some more insight on this, than just yours and mine.

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30 May 2007 20:01 #2746 by
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Of course there would be a difference with which clergy person had more responsibility and such, which would go along with their rank as well. Besides, I though the point of separete designators for Clergy was to Identify them as people who are Clergy, not saying I'm a higher clergy than this guy, because I do more clergy related things than he/she does. If anything it should be so people would know who to contact for counseling and possible ceremonies and such.

As far as reaching others, I agree it needs to be accesible, but this isn't winning souls. All we need to do is get the word out, so people can come here for themselves to see if they like it. If they do, when they get into it, it wouldn't be hard to discern who was clergy and who wasn't. People who are typically looking for a different religion or what not, are not looking for a carbon copy, they are looking for something completely separate, something Jedi. Besides, all clergy are going to be performing pretty much the same functions, except for maybe senior clergy teaching junior clergy methods and such. And if there are certain functions like only certain ceremonies that only senior clergy can reside over. I'd really like if we got some more insight on this, than just yours and mine.

DK

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30 May 2007 20:27 #2747 by
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Dhagon Krayt wrote:

Of course there would be a difference with which clergy person had more responsibility and such, which would go along with their rank as well. Besides, I though the point of separete designators for Clergy was to Identify them as people who are Clergy, not saying I'm a higher clergy than this guy, because I do more clergy related things than he/she does. If anything it should be so people would know who to contact for counseling and possible ceremonies and such.

As far as reaching others, I agree it needs to be accesible, but this isn't winning souls. All we need to do is get the word out, so people can come here for themselves to see if they like it. If they do, when they get into it, it wouldn't be hard to discern who was clergy and who wasn't. People who are typically looking for a different religion or what not, are not looking for a carbon copy, they are looking for something completely separate, something Jedi. Besides, all clergy are going to be performing pretty much the same functions, except for maybe senior clergy teaching junior clergy methods and such. And if there are certain functions like only certain ceremonies that only senior clergy can reside over. I'd really like if we got some more insight on this, than just yours and mine.

DK


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