The totjo´s look on suicide

It's a common thing for people to interpret religion and spirituality as systems of reality, when to me they seem to work better as systems of perception. The downside is that allows some people to criticize many of the more nebulous concepts and have a laugh at others expense.

Belief is a tool, and does not have to equate with truth in my opinion. It just is a perfect replica of truth. Many spiritual people simply use spirituality to manifest spiritual health and transformation. If believing in the afterlife makes them stronger in the physical life then it is a positive thing.

If an interest in it develops complexity through some form of method then perhaps they might even find something out there in the dark places outside of accepted truth.

@alluvius....as i said i came to terms long ago...i know how damaged i was, and have since been working at the repairs...i bounce between the darker self and the lighter self when needed so i know which is which...i actively try to contain the darker self because that's not what i want to be...my aim is to be a better me...i don't feel singled out at all... i don't consider myself to be superior to anyone so i figure that anything i can do, anyone else can do including having the strong instinct for survival that i have....

when i took psychology i did so because i wanted to learn how to repair the damage, and to understand how to break the chain....through the semester i came to discover that i had already acquired the knowledge to do so, and had already made some repairs...keeping the other self caged is a conscious choice i made because i know some breakages cannot be fixed conventionally...

in the end it's about choosing between who i was becoming and who i want to be...i didn't like the path that i started life on, and once i was able i chose a different path...

i won't condemn anyone that considers self termination, because i understand not everyone has the strength to fight through...i also won't endorse or condone it...i truly feel there is nothing that can happen that humans can't endure...we are built to survive, we are hardwired to survive...anything to the contrary is a violation of nature...

there is no such thing as an insurmountable problem, and with so much in the world to learn, know, experience, why cut the vast number of opportunities off?

@hellisforhorses ...i agree in most circumstances it does seem selfish...of course as i stated earlier in the thread, there are certain cases ie:terminal illness in which i can understand the choice....but still...i'd prefer to maximize the time i had left if that were the case...there's just too much in the world to learn,know,and experience....live life to its fullest...problems come and go in life, just like the people we know...the world will continue on

I find it sad that people suffer so much that they would prefer not to exist over living in this world. That is what bothers me. Suicide itself is, however, a liberty some take, and that act is everyone's right, though I can't say it's right or wrong. After all, why do we do anything?

Because we can.

I beleive there is a level of self-deterimation, and i believe that death in this world is not the end of our existence.

however - there are people who have survived terrible things but found the will to live in the world, either for others or themselves. Something about suicide is at odds with (what i believe is) the human instinct to survive. It represents the end of 'choice', when people feel there is nowhere else to turn.

I also worry about the loss of potential; things that an individual could have achieved if they continued living.

Some of these arguements i think may extend to the debate on euthanasia to, however it is something I am cautious about giving an opinion of being mid20s and healthy - my views may well be changed by experience as i age

dannyl wrote: It represents the end of 'choice', when people feel there is nowhere else to turn.

That's only true if you believe that death is the end of your journey rather than just another fork in the road...

this is true (and something i will give some further thought to)

i do wonder though -
it is a move between one state of being and another, the physically body is done with that is not a choice that can be undone (if one would wish to undo it is another question

I would say that it's not so much about being "undone" because regardless of form, you'll be back.