The totjo´s look on suicide

Started as a C.N.A. and worked up to RN.

I tend to deal with a lot of the deaths though as others have trouble handling corpses.

Andy Spalding wrote: The point of it being not my cup a tea still stands

I don't know, but it seems to be stated that way in Jedi Teachings:

1. Jedi must let go of obsessive attachment, both material and personal. The obsession over possessions creates the fear of loosing those possessions, which can lead to the Dark Side.


2. Jedi believe in eternal life. We do not become obsessed in mourning those who pass. Grieve as you will but take heart, for the soul and spirit continue in the netherworld of the Living Force

Perhaps I am misinterpreting these, however.

Yea, it is talking about detachment

Of course i can counter with my own quoting of doctrine,

"I shall never seek so much to be consoled as to console;"

Which of course as i sarcastically demonstrated before, leave much to be desired.

It's all well and good that reality may be an illusion. I just don't see how it is at all functional at helping us living in the illusion. Life may be an illusion, but its what we have, an i prefer a philosophy that embraces our current state of being instead of farting into the wind about what could be.

Another perspective...

Maybe it's not the life that's meaningLESS but the afterdeath that is equally meaningful to life.

Andy Spalding wrote: well then 20 bonus points to who ever can figure out what that point of view is called.

The point of it being not my cup a tea still stands

It seems to be fairly prevalent in most eastern philosophies/religions...and since Lucas drew heavily on eastern ideologies when he created the Jedi originally, it stands to reason that that point of view would seem prevalent in the Jedi Code as well.

Nihilism holds that life is meaningless and without intrinsic value...close, but no cigar.

I can understand that it's not your "cup of tea" and I respect your right to your views. I can't understand the difficulty some people have in accepting that all this physicality is illusion and without worth or value. I can't understand a point of view that holds the body as a temple, rather than as a simple vessel for the spirit. Our spirits are the only thing that's "real" or that has any "value". It is not that we do not exist, it is that the physical realm is only a stage...

Alluvius wrote: I can't understand a point of view that holds the body as a temple, rather than as a simple vessel for the spirit. Our spirits are the only thing that's "real" or that has any "value". It is not that we do not exist, it is that the physical realm is only a stage...

So why would we want to stick around here?

If life is an illusion, and we are meant to have an experience of it, why would I want to spend my time ridding myself of that? Why would I want to embrace removing myself from what could be the only reason we have a physical presence, to experience it.

To anyone reading this…

The world consists of different cultures and peoples. All have a different understanding of life and the meaning of it. Patience and tolerance are some of the key ideals to Jediism as I see it. If we try to see another’s point of view then perhaps it can help our own understanding.

I am not going to tell you or suggest that my answer is better than yours.

I do not believe I have the answer to everything; or that what I think I know is the absolute truth. And even though many may see me as NOT being the wisest, I am happy knowing that my cup is not already full.

Besides, if we all thought the same and had identical belief systems what would be the point of all this (TOTJO) and other discussion forums?

My answer would be:

Because the spirit is real, we're here to learn and understand. (There's a longer answer than that, but it seems pointless at the moment)

Your mind. That's why. Same reason we don't like change.

Andy Spalding wrote:

Alluvius wrote: I can't understand a point of view that holds the body as a temple, rather than as a simple vessel for the spirit. Our spirits are the only thing that's "real" or that has any "value". It is not that we do not exist, it is that the physical realm is only a stage...

So why would we want to stick around here?

Apparently not every one does.

I have never said life was meaningless. That would mean that we are all meaningless, and of course that is invalid. What I am saying is that the death of the human body does not mean life is over, clearly it isn't.

I am also not saying that one should not grieve for their loved ones when the body expires. I know I sure will and do grieve, however, from the higher perspective I understand where that pain is coming from and I understand how to transmute that pain.